Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , jimlux writes: >One other thing to know about those USOs - they start about 1000 quartz >blanks that are mounted in holders, and wind up with a couple dozen >oscillators in dewars, and then run them all for a long time (many >months) and watch them. 2 or 3 out of a batch

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread jimlux
On 8/5/19 2:21 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , jimlux writes: One other thing to know about those USOs - they start about 1000 quartz blanks that are mounted in holders, and wind up with a couple dozen oscillators in dewars, and then run them all for a long time (many

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Keep in mind that all those designs date “way back” in terms of OCXO design. The whole issue of pressure sensitivity really was not well understood / accepted until the mid 1990’s. Up to that point the whole “is it pressure or something else” thing was very much a hot topic. In terms of

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/5/2019 3:30 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: Today most quality OCXO's are in a sealed can but three of the best HP10811, Austron 1150 and OSA 8600/07 are not sealed. Austroon set screw hole has a screw with an O ring. When you try to get the best out of them not part of a loop you may have

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread ew via time-nuts
Today most quality OCXO's are in a sealed can but three of the best HP10811, Austron 1150 and OSA 8600/07 are not sealed. Austroon set screw hole has a screw with an O ring. When you try to get the best out of them not part of a loop you may have to consider compensation like with Rb's. Maybe

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-05 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:22:22 + (UTC) ew via time-nuts wrote: > Are wee missing something. Reading Bill Slade post and old NASA > attachments the attached plot to me was an eye opener. Our work > has always been focused on Rb pressure compensation. Are we > overlooking something. Has any one

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You can run a controlled experiment where you simply change the pressure. Crystals are indeed pressure sensitive. It’s one of the reasons welded packages became more popular for OCXO’s ( welded crystal package inside a welded OCXO package means less pressure change onto the crystal package).

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
How do we know the change is not due to humidity that happens to track pressure? Rick On 8/3/2019 7:22 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: Are wee missing something. Reading Bill Slade post and old NASA attachments the attached plot to me was an eye opener. Our work has always been focused on Rb

[time-nuts] OCXO pressure sensitivity before TCXO

2019-08-03 Thread ew via time-nuts
Are wee missing something. Reading Bill Slade post and old NASA attachments the attached plot to me was an eye opener. Our work has always been focused on Rb pressure compensation. Are we overlooking something. Has any one done some work on this subject Thanks    Bert Kehren 517.pdf