Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Achim Gratz
Joe Hobart writes: > I can read and write the DS3231 registers with a Raspberry Pi. Unfortunately, > the RPi kernel sends time to the RTC every 11 1/2 minutes. This time is > usually > moderately accurate, but I have measured errors of up to 0.264 second, which > is > unacceptable. That's the

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Petr Titěra
On 07.03.2019 14:14, Jim Harman wrote: For ease of programming and reasonably low power consumption I would look into an Arduino. Hello, I can only agree. Use Ardiuno and you will have complete control about your environment. You can even put your board into sleep between pulses. For

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Jim Harman
Here is an example Arduino sketch that controls the DS3231, blinks the Arduino's LED, and displays the current time and temperature on the controlling PC, using the Arduino Wire and Chronodot libraries. For even better precision, you would want to run the PPS line to an interrupt and use an ISR to

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Jim Harman
For ease of programming and reasonably low power consumption I would look into an Arduino. There are libraries available to control the DS3231 and your choice of displays. The Chronodot is a nice prototyping package for the 3231. https://www.adafruit.com/product/255 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:02

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-06 Thread Joe Hobart
Hello Petr and others, Thank you for the suggestions. I have several DS3231 modules running. I was able to adjust one to 0.04 PPM fast, which is more than good enough for my requirement of one second a month (this is at a constant temperature, but these RTC chips are supposed to be temperature

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-02-18 Thread Achim Gratz
Joe Hobart writes: > Your accuracy results are impressive. I have questions: > >What manufacture or brand DS3231 do you have? There are two modules you can get easily from the usual places, prices and delivery times vary wildly. The first and larger variant used to be called ZS-042, but now

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-02-17 Thread Petr Titěra
Hello, as I've said these are quite new, cheap RTC modules. There is DS3231SN on them. Based on markings they were manufactured somewhere in 2008 but I've bought them recently. I have two those modules. Both connected using I2C. First module is connected to Orange Pi sitting on my table. Pi is

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-02-17 Thread Joe Hobart
Hello Petr, Your accuracy results are impressive. I have questions: What manufacture or brand DS3231 do you have? What do you use to communicate with the DS3231 and display time? How long has your DS3231 been running? Have you changed the crystal aging offset register(s) to

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-02-15 Thread Petr Titěra
Hello, sorry to reopen this old thread but it took me some time to measure. As I've said I have one RTC module sitting right on my desk in my room where temperatures can go anywhere between 3C and 20C. Using naive method of comparison of time difference between system time and RTC module I get

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-13 Thread Petr Titěra
I will probably sound dumb but did you consider cheap RTC chips? I have one based on DS3231 currently on my table and although its is specified to have precision +/-2PPM my seems to be in range about 0.5PPM right from package with possibility to do some corrections. Petr Titera Dne 11. 1. 2019 v

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard - Additional Clarification

2019-01-13 Thread Scott McGrath
Mechanical chonometers are still rated and the offset applied. This was probably the earliest application of the offset with respect to the time standards of the day. I.e. Greenwich and USNO among others. Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jan 12, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Jim Harman wrote: I

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard - Additional Clarification

2019-01-12 Thread Jim Harman
I don't have modern knowledge of this, but traditionally marine chronometers were not adjusted for precise timekeeping, but rather would be "rated" for how much they would gain or lose per day and that correction would be applied at the time of the astronomical observation. Do you have an

[time-nuts] Portable Time Standard - Additional Clarification

2019-01-12 Thread Joe Hobart
Here is more explanation: I need a stand-alone, easily portable unit with display; the unit may be used where GPS, cell phone, or WWVB are not available. Low power consumption is highly desirable. I have seen advertisements of marine quartz chronometers listing an accuracy as good as <0.01

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-12 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
Joe, Would a mobile phone with a good GPS clock meet your needs? Or does it need to be a stand-alone device? 73, David GM8ARV -- SatSignal Software - Quality software for you Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk Twitter: @gm8arv

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-12 Thread Jean-Louis Rault
Hi Joe My Casio Lineage 5161 sun-powered radio-controlled wristwatch seems to be in accordance with all our requirements (free advertisement) 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR Le 11/01/2019 à 20:57, Joe Hobart a écrit : I need a relatively lightweight, self powered, portable clock accurate to 1

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread jimlux
On 1/11/19 12:26 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi The most common approach to “monitor” a quartz movement is to listen to it at 32,768 KHz with a tuned microphone. If it is an analog movement, then one can detect the sound of the motor driving the mechanical side. Do you need a device with a visual

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread jimlux
On 1/11/19 11:57 AM, Joe Hobart wrote: I need a relatively lightweight, self powered, portable clock accurate to 1 second per month. Temperatures may range from 10 to 35 C; altitude from 1000 to 7000 feet. Although expensive, some of the marine quartz chronometers appear to meet this

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread Jim Harman
You might try a telephone pickup coil to detect the magnetic "ticks" from a quartz clock. They even come with a plug and a suction cup! On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:34 PM Tim Shoppa wrote: > > I am not an expert in every quartz clock mechanism BUT a 1-10mH nonshielded > inductor makes an excellent

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread Tim Shoppa
Many of the 70's/80's Japanese marine quartz chronometers had a test button that gave you an audible beep every second. I am not an expert in every quartz clock mechanism BUT a 1-10mH nonshielded inductor makes an excellent pickup for the "ticks" from any quartz clock or watch that I've ever met.

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The most common approach to “monitor” a quartz movement is to listen to it at 32,768 KHz with a tuned microphone. If it is an analog movement, then one can detect the sound of the motor driving the mechanical side. Do you need a device with a visual readout or are you after something that

[time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-01-11 Thread Joe Hobart
I need a relatively lightweight, self powered, portable clock accurate to 1 second per month. Temperatures may range from 10 to 35 C; altitude from 1000 to 7000 feet. Although expensive, some of the marine quartz chronometers appear to meet this requirement. ~0.3 PPM. Does anyone have any