Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-03-03 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 07:39:43 -0800 jimlux wrote: > How does a CSO compare with a Mercury Ion clock - the latter does fit in > a satellite and is intended to replace the USO kind of function. They use/used CSO's as local oscillators for the Hg ion clock. Their first papers ([1] and [2]) used to u

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-03-01 Thread Michael Wouters
Hello Jim >How does a CSO compare with a Mercury Ion clock - the latter does fit in >a satellite and is intended to replace the USO kind of function. The current CSOs can be surprisingly compact. I was visiting a university colleague who had recently bought one from Cryoclock for use in quantum

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-03-01 Thread jimlux
On 2/29/20 2:47 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 17:01:27 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: Isn't that where "whispering gallery" modes come into the picture ? …… and done with sapphire. This is the real answer to “why is nobody going to do this?”. You already have something ( the sapphire

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <92c74f8b-f351-4a6c-916f-ec68cfd35...@n1k.org>, Bob kb8tq writes: >> Why would it be so expensive ? > >You would have to do a *lot* of things from scratch. First up, there is >no 'modern' cold weld package big enough to put the beast into. You would >have to tool that right up

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 17:01:27 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > > Isn't that where "whispering gallery" modes come into the picture ? > > …… and done with sapphire. > > This is the real answer to “why is nobody going to do this?”. You already > have something ( the sapphire resonators ) that does better

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > In message <20200229210755.1abd900696f8aa85567d2...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali > writes: >> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 13:44:59 -0500 > >> But, there is not much we can do about absorption/desorption. > > Actually, there are th

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 13:44:59 -0500 > Bob kb8tq wrote: > >> One wonders what the result would be of doing a large blank (> 50mm) >> 2.5 MHz 5th OT using modern design, packaging and mounting techniques. > > If we use the venerable Sul

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20200229210755.1abd900696f8aa85567d2...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali writes: >On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 13:44:59 -0500 >But, there is not much we can do about absorption/desorption. Actually, there are things you can do, but they are very expensive. One of the early paths of experim

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 13:44:59 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > One wonders what the result would be of doing a large blank (> 50mm) > 2.5 MHz 5th OT using modern design, packaging and mounting techniques. If we use the venerable Sulzer as guide (see e.g. [1]) and going by what the FE-405 achieves, I wo

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > In message <2e09a559-b476-45c0-a476-7d5808a93...@n1k.org>, Bob kb8tq writes: > >> One wonders what the result would be of doing a large blank (> 50mm) 2.5 MHz >> 5th OT using modern >> design, packaging and mounting tec

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <2e09a559-b476-45c0-a476-7d5808a93...@n1k.org>, Bob kb8tq writes: >One wonders what the result would be of doing a large blank (> 50mm) 2.5 MHz >5th OT using modern >design, packaging and mounting techniques. Given that it would take a rather >large pile of nickels to >find

Re: [time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi More than the cut, the packaging, resonator design, mount design, and processing of the crystal (in no particular order ) are what really make this or that crystal suitable for use in a precision OCXO. You can indeed find AT cut OCXO’s that do pretty well once they warm up …. One wonders w

[time-nuts] What’s the BEST crystal?

2020-02-29 Thread John Moran, Scawby Design
Since the poor old SC cut crystal has been given such a kicking for its inconvenient placement of spurious responses, is there a better, or BEST crystal for putting in an oven and turning into a nice reference? John Cheers - John ___ time-nuts mailin