Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Hi: I have a some what related question. I'm just curious how far back in time do the current time scales extend ? (Ie. When was the first "second hack / synchronization" that can be related to our current time.) Thanks in advance for any answers. Mark Spencer

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
All -- thanks much for all the great references!  I am giving the preso this afternoon (to a bunch of university space science students) so this will be a big help.  And it looks like there's a lot of great reading for when I have time to breathe. Thanks again. John On Mar 25, 2019, 10:03 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread Kevin Birth
It all depends on how far back you want to go. With mechanical timepieces, even before the pendulum there was Jost Burgi¹s astronomical clock which achieved a precision of a second, and is reported to have been accurate to that level based on astronomical measurements. Tycho Brahe tried to

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I have been pondering something somewhat related to all of this. We know that the smallest unit of a substance is a molecule.  The smallest unit of charge is maybe an electron.  So what could one imagine the smallest unit of time to be?  Is time digital in the nanoscale, or is it always an

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: One of the papers from 1968 mentioned "continental drift" could be detected if two stations were at the same latitude, i.e. looking at the same set of stars. That was also the case for the Latitude Observatories which were all at 39:08.  While they were setup with Zenith Telescopes

[time-nuts] NAVICOM RCGD-M GPSDO

2019-03-26 Thread Mark Sims
I recently picked up a NAVICOM RCGD-M GPSDO off of Ebay. Does anybody have any info on these? One version seems to have a Furuno GT08031, another seller show Lady Heather monitoring a Motorola 8 channel GPS, ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The Danjon impersonal astrolabe is perhaps better suited to accurate measurements: https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections/3267/objects/3380/astrolabe Bruce > On 27 March 2019 at 15:48 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > > BobH wrote: > >> This would be an excellent project for time-nuts to verify.

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-03-27T16:26:09+1300 Bruce Griffiths hath writ: > The Danjon impersonal astrolabe is perhaps better suited to accurate > measurements: > https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections/3267/objects/3380/astrolabe Danjon became director of Observatoire de Paris (and thus also the BIH) in 1945.

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
These light curves for a star being occulted by the moon should give some idea of the effects of diffraction: http://tdc-www.harvard.edu/occultations/moon/vb141occa.html Bruce > On 27 March 2019 at 15:48 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > > BobH wrote: > >> This would be an excellent project for

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Neville Michie
It must be a sign of the dedication that Harrison applied to his work. It is not as simple as the description first appears, this is England, and the method presupposes that there are no clouds. It might be a week or two before two nights occurred, when an unclouded night was followed by another

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
BobH wrote: >> This would be an excellent project for time-nuts to verify. First, a >> better explanation of John Harrison’s method is in order. A vertical >> window edge is not sufficient - a second vertical reference at a >> distance is required - Harrison used a chimney on a neighbor's house.

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Roger Tilsley
Greetings time-nuts, Harrison's method depends on the star having the same true azimuth at 1 Sidereal day intervals (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds). It does not depend on a visible horizon since the altitude (which changes with the season) is not relevant except that one must be able to see

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread jimlux
On 3/26/19 3:48 PM, Bob Holmstrom wrote: Ben Bradley stated > "Perhaps closer to your question: I recall in my readings about clockmaker John Harrison (likely either in "The Quest for Longitude” or Dava Sobel's "Longitude") that he would look from the edge of his window at a particular star each

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread jimlux
On 3/26/19 4:27 PM, Neville Michie wrote: It must be a sign of the dedication that Harrison applied to his work. It is not as simple as the description first appears, this is England, and the method presupposes that there are no clouds. It might be a week or two before two nights occurred, when