[time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread donald collie
Without wanting to show my ignorance by confusing accuracy, and precision, etc, would some kind person please answer the following : Let me explain - I have my prototype GPS diciplined [ Trimble inside] standard frequency source connected to both a divide by 5,2,5 and 2 producing all the reference

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A - on frequency doublers

2019-07-19 Thread Glen English VK1XX
good info Rick ROY - I have spiced up in LTSPICE a doubler and 4 harmonics which you can vary the amplitudes of the harmonics in the current  sources I1, I2, I3, I4.  There is a basic tank circuit on the output which you can connect/ disconnect etc. www.cortexrf.com.au/5_meg_doubler.asc

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Hal Murray
> If I live another 100 years [Let`s say I take antioxidants ;-) ] what sort > of error should I expect in this clock? [I know that it`s better than 1 > second per day] You didn't say anything about skipping leap seconds. Ignoring that part, and assuming you have a good antenna, and assuming

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I am in some ways a beginner also.  But here is one way to calculate error. Figure the number of seconds in 100 years.  You just compute the number in a minute (60) times the minutes in an hour (60) times the hours in a day (24) and so on.  When you get to 100 years after all the

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Jim Harman
Somewhat tongue in cheek, from another relative beginner: There are also several seconday effects you will need to consider over the next 100 years: -- Do you have a way of changing the battery in the clock without it stopping? -- Will the $10 clock's bearings last 100 years? -- If the 1 pps

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group drift won't be the issue. Power outages will. That type of disruptive issue. >From the analog clock guy. Use 4 on the wall for different time zones. All synced... Also battery backup. But every now and then we get big outages and lightning storms. Thats what gets the clocks.

[time-nuts] Junior Time Nuts looking for HP5370B

2019-07-19 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Does anyone have HP5370B that is working well for sale?  I am in Central Florida USA.  Please respond to me off list with your offer. --- (Mr.) Taka Kamiya KB4EMF / ex JF2DKG ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread paul swed
Jim Boy did you actually hit the issues. I have run into all of them. The bearings are a real issue. I have one clock I need to pull down and lube. Pain in the butt. Regards Paul On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 9:20 AM Jim Harman wrote: > Somewhat tongue in cheek, from another relative beginner: > >

Re: [time-nuts] Junior Time Nuts looking for HP5370B

2019-07-19 Thread Jim Palfreyman
I absolutely loved mine. Until that input chip went. :-( On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:01, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Does anyone have HP5370B that is working well for sale? I am in Central > Florida USA. Please respond to me off list with your offer. > >

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
You might want to consider an LED digital wall clock. I have a homebrew LED clock that's going strong after some 46 years of continuous 24/7/365 operation. The MM5314 is even a packaging reject unit I grabbed when it was a brand new design and I was a mere co-op engineering student working at

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread D. Resor
For curiosity sake, this sounds like it is a Master Clock > Slave Clock system. Are the slave clocks DC Impulse driven or do they have AC synchronous gearbox motors which then correct on/near the hour every 12 hours? For instance at 6 O'clock twice a day on let's say the 58th minute? You want

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Adrian Godwin
There are some ideas for long-lived clock mechanisms here : http://longnow.org/clock/ On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:00 PM Robert LaJeunesse wrote: > You might want to consider an LED digital wall clock. I have a homebrew > LED clock that's going strong after some 46 years of continuous 24/7/365 >

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The simple answer is that your clock is locked directly to a set of time sources built into the GPS satellites. Those sources are corrected by ground stations via comparison to NRL and NIST (and indirectly other sources as well). The various ground reference time systems get measured and

[time-nuts] HP5370A vs B version

2019-07-19 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
What are the differences between HP5370A and 5370B version? I have been told A's input ports are rather delicate and it has been better protected on B version.  I found notes on A and B and looked a them side by side but honestly, they are difficult to compare.  Anyone on list who had both and

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370A vs B version

2019-07-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi They both run hot and have “interesting” calibration procedures. Count on spending some time running through this and that to get the best performance out of them. The B does seem to run a bit better, but both meet the same basic specs. The SR610 is a very similar device (with some similar

[time-nuts] HP5370A vs B version

2019-07-19 Thread Mark Sims
The "B" version uses custom hybrid modules for the inputs... and the CH1 and CH2 hybrids are not the same... so you can't swap a CH1 hybrid with a CH2 hybrid. I think the A and B model counters are fairly equivalent in their sensitivity to input damage. It seems to be a lot harder to find

[time-nuts] Efratom MFS system Questions

2019-07-19 Thread Walter Shawlee 2
I got a nice system a while back (Modular System *808-400-14*) with both rubidium and crystal oscillators. I am getting some faults showing up, and need some insight into system operation and how to fix it. I got all the docs on the FEBO site which were very helpful, but they do have have

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom MFS system Questions

2019-07-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi It’s been more than a while since I last tore into one of those beasts. My recollection is that the output modules have a set of buffer amps on them. Each buffer has filtering appropriate to the designated output frequency. One *could* convert a 5 MHz module to 10 MHz by swapping out a bunch

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread donald collie
Thanks to all who replied! It looks like the antioxidants will win and the clock will fail before the 100 years are up. Assuming the "accuracy" of the GPSDO is 1 part in 10^12 then the inaccuracy after 100 years will be up to : 60x60x24x365.25x100x1x10^-12= 3ms [approximately] - which is probably

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Depending on what you do or don’t consider GPS is somewhere in the 3 to 30 ns range without corrections and better than that with corrections. Your GPSDO has some internal “stuff” that also gets into the act. Indeed if you went to a dual band receiver and used any of the many free

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Chris Caudle
On Fri, July 19, 2019 5:20 pm, donald collie wrote: > Assuming the "accuracy" of the GPSDO is 1 part in 10^12 > then the inaccuracy after 100 years will be up to That would assume that your oscillator maintained accuracy of 1 part in 1^12 without correction, and the GPS system stopped providing