Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-12 Thread rcbuck
> deriving exact time to way closer than a second from the signal To the average consumer if the clock is accurate to within a minute or so they are happy. The clocks also run on a RTC and only use WWVB to keep the RTC more or less accurate. The clocks are also only looking at the carrier level

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-08-12 Thread Tobias Pluess
Dear Colleagues I have made some tests with my self-made GPSDO which we discussed on this very list. I was allowed to install it at my workplace and put the antenna on the roof, with almost 360° free sky view. (I will have to compare different oscillators anyways, so I could install mine as well.

[time-nuts] WWV / WWVB Reference Feed

2020-08-12 Thread DON MURRAY via time-nuts
Hello all... I have a question that I have been unable to answer,and I am sure one of the learned time-nuts will havean instant answer for me! During my searching for an answer to my question, I learned that there is an NIST Facility at Boulder, CO that has a 4 Cs Ensemble that is the frequency

Re: [time-nuts] "The Penultimate HP5065 A15"

2020-08-12 Thread timeok
I noticed that HP made a particular choice about connecting the ground side lamp power supply. HP use a coaxial cable between the physical assembly and a connector mounted on the chassis, then a single + 20V wire is connected to the voltage regulator board, while the chassis acts as a

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillatek 2352

2020-08-12 Thread Peter McCollum
Bob wrote: Oscillatek was acquired by K in the early 1980’s. K was acquired by Dover in the mid 1980’s. Dover acquired Vectron Labs in the early 1990’s. All data on the Oscillatek parts is long gone …. even to the person who ran the company ( = me ) …. Simple answer: Hook up a power supply and

[time-nuts] Query about 4060

2020-08-12 Thread AC0XU (Jim)
Time-nuts- It has been a couple of years since I last worked on a 4060 so I have forgotten some of the details. Can someone remind me? Operating the device in manual mode, I can adjust beam gain so that I get a reading. However, ramping the control voltage over its range (which does sweep the

Re: [time-nuts] WWV / WWVB Reference Feed

2020-08-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Don, The main NIST frequency standards lab is in Boulder, CO where UTC(NIST) is maintained. They have a large ensemble of clocks, ranging from commercial cesium clocks and H-masers to "homebrew" cesium fountains and optical clocks. The WWV/WWVB transmitters an hour north in Fort Collins, CO

[time-nuts] ! PPS Source

2020-08-12 Thread Joe Hobart
I have been using 1 PPS from a Motorola M-12 timing module to steer a SRS PRS-10. I recently heard that a U-Blox ZED F9P module receives both L1 and L2 and can provide much improved positional accuracy. Would better positions translate into a smoother 1 PPS? Does anyone have experience with

Re: [time-nuts] WWV / WWVB Reference Feed

2020-08-12 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Tom, Thank you for the paper references. (73's) Best Regards, John Westmoreland AJ6BC On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:38 PM Tom Van Baak wrote: > Don, > > The main NIST frequency standards lab is in Boulder, CO where UTC(NIST) > is maintained. They have a large ensemble of clocks, ranging from >

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-12 Thread Graham / KE9H
What would the optimum bandwidth for a WWVB receiver be? For the AM signal, there are three different symbols, 0.8 seconds on/0.2 sec off; 0.5 sec on/0.5 sec off; and 0.2 sec on, 0.8 seconds off. This suggests to me that the two non-symmetrical symbols have strong modulation sidebands at +/- 2.5

Re: [time-nuts] NBS Dual Mixer Time Difference system (A picture!)

2020-08-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Cool to see. How well does it perform in todays context? Still useful or a bit too cumbersome to really use? Cheers, Magnus On 2020-08-11 18:58, cdel...@juno.com wrote: > Hi, > > Saw Bobs recent post mentioning the NBS DMTD system. > > I happen to own one of those old beasts! > > My

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-12 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:27 PM, paul swed wrote: > > How do the small AM WWVB clocks work then. They use the 60 KHz crystal and > they don't actually do anything special. In measuring those clocks they are > about 2-6 hz wide. They pop up once a night and grab time from WWVB. The rest of

Re: [time-nuts] Phase measurement of my GPSDO

2020-08-12 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Mittwoch, 12. August 2020 13:23:57 CEST Tobias Pluess wrote: > On the picture `gpsdo_180_210.png` one can see the last 30 hours of my > measured data. During this time, the DAC value need to change only by 9 > counts. I think the DAC value has a slight trend to go lower and lower, > this is

[time-nuts] Oscillatek 2352

2020-08-12 Thread Peter McCollum
Hi, Please excuse my remedial question. I am looking for basic information on an oscillator module marked as follows: Oscillatek 2352 10.00 MHz TCVCXO 5850--012 0.0 Hz at 25C SNDATE 42105 8707 I understand that Oscillatek is now Vectron which is now Microchip. It has a 7-pin male

[time-nuts] calibration of oscillators with WWV

2020-08-12 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Learned List, During the discussion of using WWVB for oscillator calibration it was mentioned that the best accuracy the could be obtained was 1 x 10^12th. My question is what would be the best accuracy one could reasonably expect using any methods of comparison? Regards, Perrier

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillatek 2352

2020-08-12 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Oscillatek was acquired by K in the early 1980’s. K was acquired by Dover in the mid 1980’s. Dover acquired Vectron Labs in the early 1990’s. All data on the Oscillatek parts is long gone …. even to the person who ran the company ( = me ) …. Simple answer: Hook up a power supply and