[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Erik Kaashoek
Hi Tobias, Using the excellent material found here: https://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/rlabbe/Kalman-and-Bayesian-Filters-in-Python/blob/master/table_of_contents.ipynb I went ahead and implemented the first order filter as described in chapter 8. The simulation was changed to use a real

[time-nuts] Re: NTP server source needed

2022-04-21 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Time machines makes a similar box. However, one would expect that with that many devices at a site one could find a couple of devices which could run a ntp server along with their normal workload. On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 2:23 AM Paul Watts wrote: > Long time lurker, first time poster. > > In the

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-21 Thread Markus Kleinhenz via time-nuts
Hello Matthias, > Of course curiosity got the better of me. I switched the GPSDO to hold-over > and recorded about 4000 seconds of data. Result is attached. BTW I terminated > the experiment after the temperature compensation kicked the DAC one LSB > down. > I am quite pleased with the

[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Kalman filters are optimal only if they work with statistical processes that can be described with derivatives or integrals, i.e. white phase noise (f^0), white FM (f^-2), random walk FM (f^-4) and so on. Most of VCOs are heavily flicker FM dominated Il giorno gio 21 apr 2022 alle ore 19:09 Erik

[time-nuts] Re: EFTF/IFCS 2022 - time-nuts meetup?

2022-04-21 Thread Bernd Neubig
Hi Attila, I will attend the EFTF/IFCS in Paris together with the AXTAL Chief Engineer Henry. We will arrive Monday afternoon and will leave on Thursday at noon. Will be glad to meet you both! Best regards Bernd -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Attila Kinali [mailto:att...@kinali.ch]

[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Carsten Andrich
Hi Erik, when I familiarized myself with the topic back in 2018, I found this paper: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7324685 (IEEE paywall) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308730123_Synchronization_robustness_using_Kalman-based_clock_servos They found that Kalman filters and PI

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-21 Thread John Miller via time-nuts
I have yet to find a reliable source for this, but something I have heard in the past is that since the different constellations' satellites may be controlled and disciplined differently (and to different standards), it is not wise to use more than one constellation on receiver that is used to

[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Dienstag, 12. April 2022 00:52:42 CEST Magnus Danielson via time-nuts wrote: > A trivial state-space Kalman would have phase and frequency. Assuming > you can estimate the phase and frequency noise of both the incoming > signal and the steered oscillator, it's a trivial exercise. It's >

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-21 Thread John Ackermann
Private email from the folks at NRCan indicated that having both constellations in the data would potentially result in (more) clock offset jumps in the PPP results.  Remember that GLONASS and GPS are synced to different master clocks which are some small (and potentially variable) number of

[time-nuts] Re: Question about GPS 1PPS ADEV

2022-04-21 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Donnerstag, 21. April 2022 13:48:42 CEST Markus Kleinhenz via time-nuts wrote: > Hello Matthias, > > Could you explain further how enabled GLONASS messed things up for you? Noticeably more transients in the phase error. Phase jumps of 15ns or more. Since then I only enable GPS and Galileo,

[time-nuts] Re: NTP server source needed

2022-04-21 Thread Paul Watts
Thanks for the reply, Forrest. I do have a TM1000(model number?) but I thought they were out of stock. Their website currently claims otherwise and I'll probably get another. I do have systems at each site running NTP against my local LeoNTP devices and the US NTP pool. I just like to have a

[time-nuts] GPS Control Loop

2022-04-21 Thread ew via time-nuts
25 years ago Brooks Shera developed a GPSDO that had a Frequency accuracy of 1 E-11. A year later in  1998 he published his work in July 11998 in QST. The total package included circuits,   PC board and in depth analysis of every part of his design including his filter.. I was one of the first

[time-nuts] Re: NTP server source needed

2022-04-21 Thread Steven Sommars
Though I don't have a Time Machines NTP server I've monitored them for several years and have seen a number of "off by N-seconds" errors. The manufacturer reproduced the problem and released new firmware for the TM2000B. I don't know the status of other models. I would be hesitant to trust the

[time-nuts] NTP server source needed

2022-04-21 Thread Paul Watts
Long time lurker, first time poster. In the past, I've purchased the LeoNTP server to act as a local time server on my work network. Unfortunately, those NTP servers aren't available to order. I'm in need of two - three more NTP servers for various locations. Do any of you have an alternate NTP

[time-nuts] Re: EFTF/IFCS 2022 - time-nuts meetup?

2022-04-21 Thread Bernd Neubig Privat
Hi Attila and Markus, I wobei at the Symposium in Paris together with our Chief Engineer Henry. We will arrive on Monday afternoon and will leave Thursday at noon time. Will be glad to meet you both - and more folks. Best regards Bernd sent by Mobile phone Am 20.04.2022

[time-nuts] Re: GPSDO Control loop autotuning

2022-04-21 Thread Pluess, Tobias via time-nuts
Hi Erik, yes I also found this webpage, and the examples are good. I had the exact same idea as you, except I thought that the model for the VCO output is either phase only or phase and frequency. Yours is even a bit more sophisticated, thats quite cool! And yes, of course it will be possible to