Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I am thinking that I should simply make a very simple notch filter that suppresses the spurious line by 10 or 20 dB. I can then do an A/B comparison of the measured ADEV with and without the filter. If there is no change, I'm done. Otherwise, I add filtering in steps until the ADEV reaches an

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Surely all that's required is a simplistic worst case analysis. Just assume that the value of Tau is always the worst possible so the full effect of the modulation is always seen. If the worst case phase modulation is say phi then the worst case ADEV (Tau) will be proportional to phi*T/Tau

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread Dana Whitlow
One might also do some trials based on comparing ADEV results between a clean carrier signal and ones corrupted with varying degrees of FM (for example), to get a feel for the problem. If nothing else, one ought to be able to get some feel for the sensitivities involved. Dana K8YUM On Mon,

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread jimlux
On 8/5/18 11:22 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <84a802ff-88f1-5f50-1f79-71d8ba3c4...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus D anielson writes: What does exists is a formula for how a single sine spur would produce ADEV. A FM deviation with low enough modulation index creates two

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <84a802ff-88f1-5f50-1f79-71d8ba3c4...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus D anielson writes: >What does exists is a formula for how a single sine spur would produce >ADEV. A FM deviation with low enough modulation index creates two >side-bands of opposite sign but same amplitude. I

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Rick, On 08/06/2018 07:12 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > I need to measure ADEV on a source that has spurious > sine wave frequency modulation on it.  I am looking for a > formula that would tell me ADEV, vs FM deviation and > carrier frequency. I'm not sure if modulation frequency > or