Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise Thanks to all

2018-09-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
Somebody send me the URL to that board thank you On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 9:21 PM wrote: > Got a whole bunch of answers all with useful info. I think I will go > with Hans' 4 output board to see if the project works at all and go from > there. Off on a three week tour of Italy to Malta and

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise Thanks to all

2018-09-14 Thread lstoskopf
Got a whole bunch of answers all with useful info. I think I will go with Hans' 4 output board to see if the project works at all and go from there. Off on a three week tour of Italy to Malta and should have the parts when I get back. This is one of those weird design things so maybe the

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Would a mems oscillator such as a dsc6183 possibly work for you? I'm uncertain if the characteristics of a mems oscillator is compatible with your application. For odd frequencies I often head toward a mems oscillator since many can be programmed to any reasonable frequency. For example one

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C Simulation

2018-09-14 Thread paul swed
Nigel Returned from a business trip this week. Glad you are making progress. You are lucky to have an active station to run your equipment. I do agree that the various equipment now surplus is really nice. Though I still see strange things at crazy prices on some web sites. If you do proceed on

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread paul swed
The beauty of a $2 arduino and a drop of code snitched from Engineer google. OK enough of that back to the thread. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Mike Feher wrote: > Not when I built them in the late 60's and early 70's. All discrete. 73 - > Mike > > > > Mike B. Feher,

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Mike Feher
Not when I built them in the late 60's and early 70's. All discrete. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Richard (Rick) Karlquist Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 7:15 PM To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread ed breya
Rick said: "The trouble with a DDS is that you need a microcontroller with software just to baby sit the thing." Yes, I know what you mean. I wouldn't want to go through all that. I'm picturing more like the small, cheap DDS boards that show up on ebay. Maybe the right stuff could be found

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Finally, of course, you can use DDS. This is nearly an ideal case for The trouble with a DDS is that you need a microcontroller with software just to baby sit the thing. Rick N6RK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread ed breya
Those programmable oscillators look interesting. I went to Cardinal the website to learn more, but they're pretty sparse on details. It looks like they make all sorts of crystals, OC, TC, and VT XO modules, etc, and these programmable ones, which are apparently PLL-based oscillators locked to

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Bryan _
I would be interested in hearing more of the more suitable classes of logic chips. I have a 20Mhz rubidium that I wanted to divide down to 10Mhz -=Bryan=- From: time-nuts on behalf of Dana Whitlow Sent: September 14, 2018 12:55 PM To: lstosk...@cox.net;

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread paul swed
As a suggestion I collaborate with a Canadian ham some 5 years ago using a DDS as a BFO for the HP 3586. Those details were shared on time-nuts if they are still in the archives.That worked really well. I recall he was a VE3??? The 3586 had 2 crystals for the BFO while the entire rest of the

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The AC series is really quite good on phase noise; I used it in the 5071A at 80 MHz. Rick N6RK On 9/14/2018 12:55 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote: Frequency dividers can be pretty low noise, if you choose the right class of logic. I remember that at one time in the distant past, LSTTL was considered

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I encountered these oscillators on a circuit I inherited from another engineer. The spectrum of these is quite dirty and they should only be considered as digital clock oscillators. An additional annoyance is that they are not marked with the frequency they are programmed to, so if you have USB

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Dana Whitlow
Frequency dividers can be pretty low noise, if you choose the right class of logic. I remember that at one time in the distant past, LSTTL was considered king. Unfortunately I've been out of touch with frequency dividers long enough to be ignorant of what works well today. i'd suggest trying

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Wes
I'd look for the appropriate crystals. If it will help, I have a 250.00 kHz one you can have. Wes  N7WS On 9/14/2018 9:14 AM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: Off topic for this list, but you guys are experts in oscillator noise! Playing with some mechanical filters. Need USB and LSB crystals for

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread Hal Murray
paulsw...@gmail.com said: > I looked at those types of units. I thought they were factory programmed. I > may be wrong but was not of the opinion they were single unit buys. I think the business model is distributor programmed. The distributor stocks a small set of internal xtal frequencies

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread paul swed
Not sure it would be the noise divided by 4. Not a useful answer. I looked at those types of units. I thought they were factory programmed. I may be wrong but was not of the opinion they were single unit buys. Regards WB8TSL On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > Off topic for this list,

[time-nuts] Programmable clock for BFO use....noise

2018-09-14 Thread lstoskopf
Off topic for this list, but you guys are experts in oscillator noise! Playing with some mechanical filters. Need USB and LSB crystals for the BFO. No one seems to make crystals anymore, especially in the 253 KHz range! Looking at the DigiKey Cardinal programmable oscillators. Cheap and

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest Faulty Efratom

2018-09-14 Thread Andre
Hi, am I right in saying that these typically sell for about £80-£160 used? this one seems to have a lock problem but I am not sure without looking at it. ebay /itm/273424114165 maybe bad lamp but not totally hopeless if so. Pretty sure its repairable but need to figure out what parts to buy in