Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 01.10.2018 um 03:01 schrieb Arthur Dent: Oops, I meant divide by 5 to get 2 followed by 8x NB3N511 work? ___ That should work, also for the 12 MHz case with 6x instead of 8x. But it still needs a second divider chip like the solution I built

[time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Arthur Dent
Oops, I meant divide by 5 to get 2 followed by 8x NB3N511 work? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread paul swed
Arthur that is a very attractive answer. I had never heard of the chip before surely looks simple enough. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:45 PM Arthur Dent wrote: > Would a divide by 2 followed by a NB3N511 work? > ___ > time-nuts

[time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Arthur Dent
Would a divide by 2 followed by a NB3N511 work? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, There is clearly enough clock chips today that would fit the bill and probably provide good enough jitter for you to operate it safely. Look at products like this: https://www.silabs.com/products/timing/clocks/general-purpose-clock-generators There is more of them as you look around. Then,

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A low phase noise method is to use a dual conjugate regenerative divider with 6MHz and 16Mhz bandpass filters in the feedback loop to produce 16Mhz output. For 12MHz output use 2MHz and 12MHz bandpass filters in the feedback loop. Bruce > On 01 October 2018 at 09:05 Bob kb8tq wrote: > > >

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If (as originally specified) noise and jitter are not a big deal - there are a lot of chips out there like the ICS570. They are designed to do weird ratio frequency conversions so 10 to 12 or 10 to 16 are trivial for them. The Clockblock board was one way to get it all put together. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread ed breya
I agree with Alex - injection-locking would be the simplest of all, if the slight correction signal added every 16 cycles is acceptable. Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:05:16 +0200 Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Wow. That's truly a Rube Goldberg design. You are right, one can do it simpler, in a single chip: Take a uC (STM32F030 comes to mind), use its PLL, VCO and clock output to do the heavy lifting. No external components (beside a few

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:57:14 -0700 "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > What's a clever, simple, reliable (pick 2 of 3) way to get 16 MHz out of > 10 MHz? Low phase noise isn't a big requirement and jitter doesn't need > to be sub-nanosecond. The main requirement is perfect cycle count accuracy. > This is

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Mike Feher
Almost same answer as I gave Tom. Double to 20, divide by 10, and then mix the 2 with the original 10, You could also just divide by 5 and then mix that 2 with the original 10. Again, filtering required. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 30.09.2018 um 15:44 schrieb Pete Lancashire: Same question 10 to 12:-) Same Answer. Select pins = (1, 1, 0) for 12 instead of (1, 1, 1) for 16. \Gerhard ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
The clockblock could do that, or probably any of the newer synth chips.  Phase noise and jitter are lousy of course. On Sep 29, 2018, 11:58 PM, at 11:58 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: >What's a clever, simple, reliable (pick 2 of 3) way to get 16 MHz out >of 10 MHz? Low phase noise isn't a big

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Ingrid clicked through the "you might find that useful too" - list and stumbled across this: < https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/adafruit-industries-llc/2045/1528-1206-ND/5353666    > \Gerhard ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 30.09.2018 um 06:15 schrieb Hal Murray: What's a clever, simple, reliable (pick 2 of 3) way to get 16 MHz out of 10 MHz? Low phase noise isn't a big requirement and jitter doesn't need to be sub-nanosecond. The main requirement is perfect cycle count accuracy. This is for driving a 16 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 09/30/2018 05:57 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > What's a clever, simple, reliable (pick 2 of 3) way to get 16 MHz out of 10 > MHz? Low phase noise isn't a big requirement and jitter doesn't need to be > sub-nanosecond. The main requirement is perfect cycle count accuracy. This is > for driving a

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread ew via time-nuts
We use the ICS527 for many applications easy to get 80 or 160 MHz. in non critical applications I use an AC14. Have a small board, 14 and ISC only if interested have to look for it it is pre relocation. Juerg may also have one. Corby uses it in his latest HP5065 tests along with a AD9850

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Dana Whitlow
Tom, Divide the 10 MHz down to 2 MHz in the usual way, then multiply by 8 with a cascade of three analog freq doublers separated by fairly narrow bandpass filters. Caveats: Would need four filters total along the path to get rid of unwanted frequency components, gain distributed along the path

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 5:58 AM Tom Van Baak wrote: > > What's a clever, simple, reliable (pick 2 of 3) way to get 16 MHz out of 10 > MHz? Low phase noise isn't a big requirement and jitter doesn't need to be > sub-nanosecond. The main requirement is perfect cycle count accuracy. This is > for

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz

2018-09-30 Thread Luca
Simple 100 kHz ref frequency PLL (like old cmos series) with 16 MHz VCXO ( very simple 16MHz xtal with varicap arrangement). All parts in the ordinary spare generic stuff drawer.. Il domenica 30 settembre 2018, Bruce Griffiths ha scritto: > Full wave rectify the sinewave input, extract