Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Bob Bownes
Most of the good data centers I’ve used either offer a connection to a stratum 1 server or are more than happy to put a antenna on the roof. Many offer microwave as a third redundant circuit path, which requires an antenna. All for a price, of course. When I worked for an ILEC, many moons

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
Bob, The hardware is cheap. The software is free. The skills to deploy are widely available. But... A cable run from your rack in the middle of the datacenter, through to the roof, is either impossible or thousands of dollars and weeks of planning. Data centers can run wires within the

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Paul
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:12 PM Hal Murray wrote: You should probably setup another web page with just the technical details. What are you going to do about leap seconds? Smear or not? DNS for time.cloudflare.com gives 2 IPv4 addresses and 2 IPv6 addresses. Are they all equivalent in terms of

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Dana Whitlow
One can reduce the gulp factor mentioned by Scott quite a bit by buying one of the non-connectorized versions from Mini-Circuits and wiring up one's own BNC connectors. One thing to keep in mind with these isolating splitters is that the isolation between outputs is good only if the impedance of

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Hal Murray
> Would love to have the feedback :) Looks good. Thanks. You should probably setup another web page with just the technical details. What are you going to do about leap seconds? Smear or not? DNS for time.cloudflare.com gives 2 IPv4 addresses and 2 IPv6 addresses. Are they all equivalent

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Paul Bicknell
Hi you can always use a resistive splitter So if you have an output impedance of 50 ohm You use 2 off 50 resistors to feed 2 off 50 ohm loads / signals to other equipment with a 50 ohm input So we have a load comprising of 2 off 100 ohm loads in parallel = 50 ohm This method is often

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Dave ZL3FJ
As regards the GPSDO, check this out- http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info=107_id=301 I think there's also a US distributor somewhere.. DaveB, NZ -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Meadows Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread David C. Partridge
As an erstwhile "white-hat" hacker/penetration tester I can say with some confidence that the threat is real, and that NTP (as with other core services on the net) really does *need* to be secured. This isn't just scare-mongering. David -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Loron, Peter
I don't know anything beyond what Is in the press release, but Cloudflare generally does good stuff. Their work on the secure protocol is great. Looking forward to having it supported broadly. I wouldn't expect the quality of the time from their NTP system to be notably different from any

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Given the relatively low cost of a GPS based “Stratum 1” NTP, it’s not real clear why (at the end of the paper) they go off and “exchange emails individually with the organizations that run stratum 1 servers, as well as negotiate permission to use them.” to source the root time for the

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Aanchal Malhotra
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:03 PM Marco Davids via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Opinions, anyone? > > https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ > > ("Introducing time.cloudflare.com") > Would love to have the feedback :) > > -- > Marco > >

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Clay Autery
Easy, Cheap, Good choose 2. I looked at virtually every option  I love to build.  I settled on HP 8-way and 4-way unity gain splitters WITH external power supply ports.  I actually retrofitted one with the very hard to find connector. Easier to find it now...  Well worth the cost to

[time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Marco Davids via time-nuts
Opinions, anyone? https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ ("Introducing time.cloudflare.com") -- Marco signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Sam Sjogren
If you don't need them to be in phase, you could just daisy chain them. What I do is use a couple of BNC tee connectors, two pieces of coax, and a 50 ohm terminator on the last tee. First coax from GPSDO to first tee, second coax between tees. Simple and works fine for my purposes. If phase is

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Cheapest and easiest is to use a power splitter. Ones from Mini Circuits that are rated to work at 10 MHz can be had for $20 or less. At some point you run out of power …. Building a splitter from NC7SZ125’s is not a all that crazy as a DIY project. You can get a dozen or so outputs and

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A going into Holdover

2019-06-21 Thread Tom Van Baak
Dan, I hate to speculate but it's really odd that more than one person is reporting EFC issues with the Z3801A this week. I wonder if it's a bug in the Motorola Oncore; the OEM GPS receiver used in the Z3801A (and other early hp GPSDO). Two events have happened recently: 1) There was a GPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread ew via time-nuts
There is a Trimbo GPSDO on ebay. We have a couple. 252162780444    look to me  a later version of the Tbolt, has an additional board with Power and amplifiers. One 10 MHz is TTL and the other sine wave. Use the TTL for the counter.There is an other one on Auction, looks identical has two

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Jwahar Bammi via time-nuts
Don, I use a video distribution amplifier. Bought one off eBay for around $12 or so about 2 years agio, model is Sigma VDA 100A, i am sure there are many suitable models on eBay. cheers, bammi ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread W7SLS
A couple of ideas: Make one: Several hours and a few $ (cheap if you value your time as free) agree, not a lot of isolation between the outputs Case, connector, and three 16.67 ohm resistors in —> 16.67 ohms —> 16.67 ohms to output 1

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Bob Bownes
Sure, presuming the output is 50Ω, build a 50Ω power divider. The signal will be 3dB down on each of the outgoing legs vs the input. Plenty of designs if you google it. If the output is TTL, feed a 74xx04 on pin 1, send pin 2 to 3 and 5, pick up the output from 4 and 6. Or choose some other gate

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread jimlux
On 6/21/19 7:27 AM, Don Meadows wrote: Is there an easy, and cheap way to add a splitter the 10Mhz signal from GPSDO, without going to a distribution amplifier to feed two different devices? Just a power divider, or a BNC T, - it's not perfect, but it works. there's isolation and potential

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A going into Holdover

2019-06-21 Thread paul swed
I appreciate the response on the outer oven. When it goes bad it makes a heck of a mess. If its not needed it would be good to turn off. Not to distract from this important subject. Is there a way to disable the oven and yet make the 3801 think its at temperature. (May not actually feed back to

[time-nuts] GPSDO 10MHZ Splitter

2019-06-21 Thread Don Meadows
Is there an easy, and cheap way to add a splitter the 10Mhz signal from GPSDO, without going to a distribution amplifier to feed two different devices? I really don’t want to build a complicated project, or spend $200.00 dollars for an 8 output distribution amp off the net. One output would be

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A going into Holdover

2019-06-21 Thread Dan Rae via time-nuts
Thanks to all who offered advice.  I have attached a LH screen shot showing last night's event.  From my limited understanding it looks like the receiver part is working fine...  The EFC had started to dive however, more than two hours before it went into holdover. I'd appreciate comments

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A going into Holdover

2019-06-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Which is why I asked about the EFC ….. they *should* start complaining when the EFC gets close to limit. How close? No idea. Are there other parameters it monitors? No idea. The (useless) heater box around the 10811 in the Z3801 can be opened up. Inside is a fairly normal 10811. On the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A going into Holdover

2019-06-21 Thread Mike Seguin
I have a weird one with my Z3801A. Screen shot from GPSCon attached. You can see the EFC excursion... Maybe the oven in the OCXO is acting up??? Mike On 6/20/2019 10:25 PM, Mark Sims wrote: A few months ago, my 3801A started doing this. It was tracking sats well (several years ago I had to