Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread jimlux
On 7/2/19 4:09 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote: I've always noted that casual attempts to pick up 60 Hz with small antennas etc see more harmonics and other trash than actual line frequency. But if you're in an office environment, why not plug something in? It's quite easy to build a simple passive

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread Jeremy Nichols
I built a 6 Volt filament transformer into a small metal box and connected the secondary to a couple of 5-way banana jacks. In addition to the 6 Volt output, I put a 100KΩ pot across the terminals with the wiper connected to a third jack. That way, I can have any voltage from 0 to 6 VAC, avoiding

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 03.07.19 um 01:25 schrieb Tim Shoppa: Jim, most of us are satisfied to use a 6.3VAC filament transformer to step down from 120VAC and isolate from the power line. Exactly. I used an old 6 or 9V AC wall wart and a resistive 1:3 divider last year when the European grid frequency was low

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
Hi Bob, I'm seeing 4.22E-12 as the slope value in the upper right of the TimeLab phase difference plot. Is that telling me that my DUT is within +4.22ps / sec from my reference 1PPS for the 24 hour measurement duration? I have attached a screen capture that will hopefully make its way

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread Tim Shoppa
Jim, most of us are satisfied to use a 6.3VAC filament transformer to step down from 120VAC and isolate from the power line. Tim N3QE > On Jul 2, 2019, at 5:56 PM, jimlux wrote: > > There's some designs on the list (using a PICPET, for instance) to measure > the local line frequency and

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is that if the duration gets long enough, the numbers on a GPSDO will get silly small. You very much have to decide what time duration is appropriate to your system / application. If you always run your frequency counter on a 1 or 10 second gate …. you really don’t care about

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread Dana Whitlow
I've always noted that casual attempts to pick up 60 Hz with small antennas etc see more harmonics and other trash than actual line frequency. But if you're in an office environment, why not plug something in? It's quite easy to build a simple passive diode clipper/filter that will plug into a

[time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread jimlux
There's some designs on the list (using a PICPET, for instance) to measure the local line frequency and phase.. but the schemes we've discussed require connecting to the power line in some way. What about a non-contact sensing approach? Something you could put in a box and it would pick up

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The difference in seconds between the start phase and the end phase divided by the number of seconds duration gives you the parts in whatever of the error. If you see 1us ( = 1x10^-6 seconds) of change in a second, you are off by 1 ppm (or 1x10^-6). If you see 1 us of change in 1,000

[time-nuts] TimeLab phase difference (slope sec/sec)

2019-07-02 Thread Chris Burford
Is the slope value for the phase difference shown in TimeLab an average of the overall data sample duration? The reason I ask is that my service manual for my RFS says: /"//A faster way to make the comparison between the reference frequency and the DUT is to use the time interval measurement