Re: [time-nuts] FA-2 questions

2019-10-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Taking the “questions” topic in a bit different direction ….. If the FA-2 is like the other projects from the same people, there is active work being done on the project. That is likely to create updated code for the device as issues are spotted. Is anybody on the list linked into that side

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Dana Whitlow writes: >I can only answer one of your questions with any confidence, but I'd >suspect that the chamber walls are cooled a fair bit in addition to >being highly reflective. Why would you need to cool them any more than you need to cool them in a cesium

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Michael Wouters
The atoms are laser cooled and held in a magneto-optical trap. It’s basically a short, one-way fountain. Cooling the microwave cavity would be useful for reducing the black body radiation shift, but without checking the numbers, this would not be so useful at the relatively low accuracy claimed

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium cell or lamp rejuvenation. WAS-HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-26 Thread JF PICARD via time-nuts
Observed on 3 R XSR, on 10 5065A decommissioned together after 10...20 years of service (blue ones with Patek clock, green, black and green...with 10811A and digital clock...) --they were replaced by a GPS based synchronisation network--. plus some 5065A got here and there. The lamp assy I

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you look at the ADEV plot, there is some sort of bump out in the 1 to 2 days region. That would suggest it’s not 100% immune to the local environment…. The box is big enough that you *might* fit a chiller in it. If so, heat would need to be vented. I see no (obvious) vents or heatsinks.

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium cell or lamp rejuvenation. WAS-HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-26 Thread Dana Whitlow
Corby, I have a question to add regarding the HP units: is the tip temperature hot enough to melt Rb in addition to providing vapor? If so, doesn't the orientation of the physics package in earth's gravity have to be about correct in order to keep the excess Rb in the tip? Thanks, Dana On

[time-nuts] Rubidium cell or lamp rejuvenation. WAS-HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-26 Thread cdelect
JF, Reference your statement: "Sorry, but I don't agree with your first statement about the 5065A : after long use, the rubidium plates on the inner envelope of the lamp (like silver on a mirror) and years after years the Rb light and photo I decreases." After working on the 5065A for over 40

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The proverbial "dumb questions": Is there an actual refrigerator somewhere in this gadget, or are the Rb atoms in a room temperature vacuum and the laser cools just the atoms. It appears to be the latter. So the enclosure has low emissivity so it doesn't transfer too much heat to the atoms by

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Anders Wallin writes: So sort of a "one-way/drop" fountain really ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be

Re: [time-nuts] HP5071A with bad tube.... can I get one used?

2019-10-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi In our case it was *Symmetricom* that was unaware of the exception. They absolutely refused to accept the incoming shipment unless it was Hazmat. The stock shipping box they supplied each time had great big Hazmat labels on it. Bob > On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > > > >

[time-nuts] Cesium shipping exemption. (was) HP5071A with bad tube.... can I get one used?

2019-10-26 Thread cdelect
Well I can't figure out how to attach the link but if you search for "hp 5071a shipping exemption" in google you will find : "PDF] Shipping Instruction - Cesium & Rubidium ... - Microsemi how to" Click on it and it will open a PDF of the form. You will see that it exempts most requirements, the

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium cell or lamp rejuvenation. WAS-HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-26 Thread JF PICARD via time-nuts
Sorry, but I don't agree with your first statement about the 5065A : after long use, the rubidium plates on the inner enveloppe of the lamp (like silver on a mirror) and years after years the Rb light and photo I decreases. Finaly, adjustement becomes imossible. The solution (as described a

[time-nuts] USRP B210 phase-meter

2019-10-26 Thread Anders Wallin
a short writeup of our phase-meter/digital-DMTD tests with an Ettus B210 is now on researchgate: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336825605_Software_Defined_Radio_Based_Phase_Meter_for_Frequency_Metrology an ADEV of 2e-14 at 1s in 0.5 Hz bandwidth is fairly straightforward to achieve, for

Re: [time-nuts] Cold Rubidium?

2019-10-26 Thread Anders Wallin
ptti2018: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322920519_Long_term_frequency_instability_of_a_portable_cold_87Rb_atomic_clock ifcs2018: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325499937_A_portable_cold_87_Rb_atomic_clock_with_frequency_instability_at_one_day_in_the_10-15_range this one is