Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
To divide by 5 with a '161/'163 counter, connect the 8's bit output to the /preset enable input. Then set the input bits to 12. The counter will count: 12, 13, 14, 15, 0, 12, 13, 14, 15, 0 ... This is the fastest configuration. It avoids external gate delay and the slower carry output. You can

Re: [time-nuts] 3 Gorges dam slows down Earth's rotation by 60 ns/day

2020-06-29 Thread Tim Tuck
I love the analysis of the Earth! Can you do it for Mars too or is the data not available ? cheers Tim On 30/6/20 3:53 am, Tom Van Baak wrote: [snip] And if you haven't see it before, I have phase, frequency, and ADEV plots of earth here: http://leapsecond.com/museum/earth/

Re: [time-nuts] 1pps signal measurement

2020-06-29 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 29.06.20 um 20:48 schrieb Gerhard Hoffmann: eternity, with CMOS being so slow that interoperability with CMOS was not an advantage. ooohps, sorry:    substitute / interoperability with CMOS / interoperability with TTL / ___ time-nuts mailing

[time-nuts] FEI Nanosync 2

2020-06-29 Thread Eric Scace
Hi — In a parallel life I work as a broadcast radio engineer. An AM transmitter's hybrid digital control system contains an embedded FEI Nanosync 2 GPS receiver. The GPS time data appears to suffer from a week 1024 rollover problem, causing the control system to believe (and broadcast) a

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 29.06.20 um 18:43 schrieb jimlux: What logic family might be appropriate for a divide by 5 from 50 to 10MHz, low power, running off 3.3 or 5V? In the picture is probably what you need, and maybe more. The left third is a comparator that generates valid CMOS levels from a vaguely defined

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread ed breya
Looks like the AC161 and AC163 are readily available, so they may be rigged for divide 5. It seems that of the counters surviving into AC, only binary ones are included, and the oddballs like decade are considered unnecessary - apparently nobody divides by 10 anymore, except inside of a

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread ed breya
Well, data sheets are out there, but I don't know about the actual parts. Unfortunately, the 74AC family has far fewer members than the 74HC and others. I think each step in the evolution loses some types that aren't expected to be high enough in volume for the most modern applications. For

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread ed breya
I just looked around for some AC390s - it appears they may have been made only by Toshiba and Hitachi, and have gone obsolete. Looks like you can't just call Mouser to order some up. But, looking at this site, it appears that a lot exist - at least a million pieces floating around out there,

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread Jim Harman
You might try the 74AC161, which works to 73MHz at 3.3V or 103 MHz at 5V, -40 to 85C. Set the data inputs to DCBA = 1011 and connect an inverter from the carry output (pin 15) to the Load input (pin 9) to divide by 5. See http://www.techlib.com/electronics/74161Divider.htm On Mon, Jun 29, 2020

Re: [time-nuts] FW: HP-5732A operation with no CRT display.

2020-06-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Lester, I had this problem with the 5372A at work. As others have noted, documentation of the CRT unit is for sure leaving a lot to wish for when comparing how well the rest of the unit is documented. We could however fairly quickly see the problem, and it turned out that a capacitor had let

Re: [time-nuts] FW: HP-5732A operation with no CRT display.

2020-06-29 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
Thanks Don, but I suspect we both have the same manual. Lester B Veenstra  K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD USPS Mail) Keyser WV 26726 GPS: 39.336826 N  78.982287 W (Google) GPS: 39.33682 N  78.9823741 W (GPSDO) Telephones: Home:    

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-29 Thread Michael Wouters
Hello Tom, (and thanks everyone for your advice) I want to do the same as you: rack mount the oscillators. Elaborate vibration isolation solutions are not possible in the available space viz 3 to 4 RU. I have the manufacturer’s test data for the oscillators, plus my own test data, so I think I

Re: [time-nuts] FW: HP-5732A operation with no CRT display.

2020-06-29 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
Ed: Like many cards and parts in this unit; Not field repairable, so no schematics or parts list. I do have the "full" maintenance manual. It appears to be a OEM Taiwan "Part", the CRT and driver board. Lester B Veenstra  K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD

Re: [time-nuts] FW: HP-5732A operation with no CRT display.

2020-06-29 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
Dave:I have a "not working, parts only" unit coming. I will see if A17 is working on that unit. If I get one working, I think I can signal trace to the problem unit, using the good one as reference Lester B Veenstra K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD

[time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-29 Thread Francis Grosz
Folks, A long time ago I worked for a division of Litton Industries. One day we visited the Litton Guidance and Control Systems Division, which manufactured Optical Gyros. Part of the test facility was a granite slab mounted using isolators on a column in a hole. I was told that the

Re: [time-nuts] 1pps signal measurement

2020-06-29 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 29.06.20 um 19:35 schrieb Mark Spencer: I am also wondering a bit about the possible impact of my 5370B's having a maximum trigger setting of approx 2.18 volts vis a vis the typical specs for 5 volt TTL signals that typically define a logic 1 as having a slightly higher voltage ? Would

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread jimlux
On 6/29/20 10:41 AM, ed breya wrote: 74AC logic would do it just fine, but needs 5V nominal for full-speed specs. Lower supply voltage should work, but probably not all the way down to 3.3V with 50 MHz clocking. The spec sheets should indicate the possible range. The 74AC390 can provide

Re: [time-nuts] Precise Pendulum

2020-06-29 Thread Dana Whitlow
John, Everything I've read on the subject says that "spooky action at a distance" does *not* provide for FTL communications. Sorry to disappoint- I'd like to see it, too. Dana On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM John Moran, Scawby Design < j...@scawbydesign.co.uk> wrote: > Interesting ... > >

Re: [time-nuts] Precise Pendulum

2020-06-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:45:05 + "John Moran, Scawby Design" wrote: > They quote - “At the other end of the scale, gravity dominates over very long > distances, > while quantum effects vanish entirely at these distances.” > > I thought quantum entanglement was valid over any distance -

Re: [time-nuts] 3 Gorges dam slows down Earth's rotation by 60 ns/day

2020-06-29 Thread Tom Van Baak
Rick, See also the NASA press release from 2005: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2005-009 The formal paper about the 3 Gorges calculation is here (4 pages, PDF): "Time-variable gravity signal during the water impoundment of China’s Three-Gorges Reservoir"

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread ed breya
I just looked at the 74AC390 sheet - it does say it will run to 60 MHz clocking with 3.3V supply, but that's at 25 deg C Tj. So, it looks doable, but depends on your desired operating temperature range. Ed ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] 1pps signal measurement

2020-06-29 Thread Mark Spencer
Hi: After a long break I am spending a bit of time looking at my time nuts gear. I have started looking at the properties of the various 1 pps signals I have access to. Other than routing the signals via Coaxial cable into instruments with a high impedance input (the documentation for some

Re: [time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread ed breya
74AC logic would do it just fine, but needs 5V nominal for full-speed specs. Lower supply voltage should work, but probably not all the way down to 3.3V with 50 MHz clocking. The spec sheets should indicate the possible range. The 74AC390 can provide divide by 5 directly, with another divide

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-29 Thread Tom Knox
I am enjoy this Nth degree Vibration Isolation discussion. Countless amazing tables where I work. I have been focused on more practical solutions for Vibration isolation of my rack mount oscillators in my home lab, and I think at that level in some ways are focused on eliminating resonances as

[time-nuts] low power divide by 5

2020-06-29 Thread jimlux
What logic family might be appropriate for a divide by 5 from 50 to 10MHz, low power, running off 3.3 or 5V? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com

[time-nuts] 3 Gorges dam slows down Earth's rotation by 60 ns/day

2020-06-29 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
See: https://futurism.com/how-infamous-hydroelectric-dam-changed-earths-rotation Of course, readers of this list know that the earth isn't stable to 60 ns/day in the first place. But this is an interesting calculation, at least to time nuts. Rick N6RK

Re: [time-nuts] Microstepper

2020-06-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 05:52:13 + "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > I have played with this one: > > http://www.rudius.net/oz2m/ngnb/dds.htm > > as a synthesizer replacement in the HP5065, but your "dual" configuration > and the integrated 1GHz "pre-oscillator" would fit that purpose better,

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-29 Thread Joseph B. Fitzgerald
If passive vibration isolation is not good enough active dampening is an option with a rig like https://www.herzan.com/products/active-vibration-control/TS-series.html I was not directly involved, but a team that I shared a lab with bought a gizmo like that one and it really helped some very

Re: [time-nuts] Vibration isolation of quartz oscillators

2020-06-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ed breya writes: > The nicest optical bench I've ever seen in person, was in one of our > labs many years ago. It was a huge, precisely flat polished granite slab > about 6-8" thick, about 4x8' or maybe 5x10', mounted on active-leveling > pneumatic bladders. It was loaded with