Re: [time-nuts] GPS disciplined OXCO

2020-09-04 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Just about everybody on this list has extensive experience on GPSDO.  Once it gets going, OCXOs are very reliable.  I haven't had one fail, yet.  There are plenty available on eBay, too, and if one is not too critical, anything will do for general lab use.  If this is your first time, my

Re: [time-nuts] GPS disciplined OXCO

2020-09-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi A number of us have Trimble TBolt’s that have been running for over 10 years. The early HP’s (Z3801 … ) seem to have a weakness in the power supply section. So far mine have come back to life after simple repairs. That puts the into the 20+ year range. The “Nortel” GPSDO’s seem to just keep

[time-nuts] GPS disciplined OXCO

2020-09-04 Thread Seth - Fran Taylor
Anyone have any experience with any of the GPS Disciplined. Reliability? Etc. Symmetricom 10 MHz TTL/Sine OXCO sources offered on ebay? Usually in $150 to $300 range. Not ready to sink $500 or more into a rubidium source. Seth L Taylor Francine S Taylor 6585 Kensington Ln Apt 401

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > > Dan, > > I've attached the last 25000 seconds of data. The drift was about 15 DAC > units > during this time. It's a 16 bit DAC, the pulling range is about 10Hz, so LSB > is worth 1.5e-4 Hz. 15 DAC units are 2.3e-3 Hz over

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
Hi Bob, On Freitag, 4. September 2020 15:03:26 CEST Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Best guess is that the oven circuit has “issues”. If that’s the case, it > will go on pretty much forever and ever. Without a plot, it’s sort of hard > to guess …. Unfortunately, I don't have a longer history on

[time-nuts] OCXO drift continued..

2020-09-04 Thread Mark Spencer
Hi. Over the last few weeks I have slowly been getting back into the time nuts game.. A few days ago I slightly adjusted the frequency of my FTS1050 (after running un disturbed for many years it was off frequency by approx 7E-10 which is not to bad in my view but I would like it to be a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi ….. ummm …. e ….. > On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:04 PM, rfnuts wrote: > > Hi, > > given it is a 10MHz OCXO, your drift is just 4E-11/hour or 9.6E-10/day, which > isn't terribly bad, is it? > > A good modern OCXO is specified at +/- 0.2ppb/day (2E-10) after 30 days of > continuous operation.

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Hal Murray
Matthias Welwarsky said: > Could this be OCXO retrace? How long can that phase last? I'm trying to > decide if I should give it another week or just scrap it and move on. The one sample I played with was a 3 MHz OCXO without any attempts to lock it to anything. The drift or retrace was

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread rfnuts
Hi, given it is a 10MHz OCXO, your drift is just 4E-11/hour or 9.6E-10/day, which isn't terribly bad, is it? A good modern OCXO is specified at +/- 0.2ppb/day (2E-10) after 30 days of continuous operation. Some ultra high performance stuff does <1E-10/day, and may improve down into the

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Matthias, How about a 'quick and dirty, hand wavey' graph? This is a known 'kinda good' OCXO, that was off for about a year. The DAC values are just that, DAC counts. The black line should represent about 8e-12 per day drift. (Sorry, I don't have better numbers than that easily on hand). I

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Best guess is that the oven circuit has “issues”. If that’s the case, it will go on pretty much forever and ever. Without a plot, it’s sort of hard to guess …. Bob > On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:50 AM, Matthias Welwarsky wrote: > > Hi, > > I mentioned in a previous email that I seem to have

[time-nuts] OCXO retrace, how long is reasonable?

2020-09-04 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
Hi, I mentioned in a previous email that I seem to have picked a particularly bad (broken?) OCXO for GPSDO testing. It drifts at a very high rate, from the DAC graph I calculate it is around -4e-4 Hz/hour. It's been on for about 1 week now and the drift doesn't seem to come down, or maybe just