Re: [time-nuts] History Channel "In Search of" Time Travel

2018-08-17 Thread Steve Allen
On Fri 2018-08-17T14:07:49-0700 Tom Van Baak hath writ: > This time I selected Mt Palomar, CA which is [adding to the typo objections] known to all astronomers by its proper name "Palomar Mountain" -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observa

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
the legal time, and NBS was the legal frequency. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 http://

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
e USNO site currently has a broken SSL cert, but the paper is also here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323600621_Metrological_and_legal_traceability_of_time_signals -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 16

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Clocks: It is important that they keep good time, Part 1

2019-01-04 Thread Steve Allen
ter there is nothing. I brought it into the lab just to check that it is still radioactive (wouldn't want to have lost that radium somewhere). It's the zinc sulfide crystals, the radiation damages them and they stop producing light. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/L

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-18 Thread Steve Allen
s no longer in use. It was superseded Capitaine et al. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=2003A%26A...406.1135C in which formalism it is explicitly disavowed that earth rotation is time. This is also far afield from the kind of time usually in this group. -- Steve Allen

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-19 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2019-01-19T12:15:28-0800 Steve Allen hath writ: > The most expedient place to find them are roughly pages B7 to B12 in a > current Astronomical Almanac. See for example > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822038913307;view=1up;seq=116 Emphasizing one point, it has al

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Steve Allen
king, VLBI, pulsar timing, etc. can measure the effect. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-21 Thread Steve Allen
depth in the gravitational potential well. That is how far down you are from Infinity. The geoid is an equipotential surface. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 4

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-21 Thread Steve Allen
ils/en/pdf/CGPM/Convocation-2018.pdf The fixed value of the potential means that the rate of TAI is now defined not to change over geologic time scales as sea level changes. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Allen
cesium vs. Ephemeris Time for more years than the original papers. In 1964 Anna Stoyko found a value of the cesium frequency 9192631799 Hz w.r.t. Ephemeris Time (Bulletin Horaire ser 6 no 7 p 186). -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sc

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-25 Thread Steve Allen
evolution > of accuracy. My Google-fu has failed me in finding anything pre-Atomic. https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/annastoyko.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156

Re: [time-nuts] reply re Harrison's timing method - #13 in Vol 176, Issue 44 digest

2019-03-26 Thread Steve Allen
on earth disciplined oscillators, a treasure chest of descriptions and diagrams of early circuits and drum recording devices, and a pile of dirty laundry about who made good and bad decisions in international agreements about time. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Ob

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Weekly Rollover Fail

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Allen
nd have been fixed; new rollovers happened around the beginning of this year. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cr

Re: [time-nuts] Antique pendulum clocks

2019-11-20 Thread Steve Allen
ely on pendulum clocks, and there are lots of fun diagrams of early electronics and radio tech too. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: [time-nuts] The TAI zero epoch of 1958

2019-10-24 Thread Steve Allen
ly by scouring contemporary publications for quotes from many folks who were present does it begin to become clear how much that attitude prevented clear description of the history. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, R

Re: [time-nuts] The TAI zero epoch of 1958

2019-10-25 Thread Steve Allen
cause it is painfully evident where there were typos and where some integration went awry for several points before returning to match again. Not possible to see, of course, are cases where the numbers went awry and stayed that way. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS)

Re: [time-nuts] The TAI zero epoch of 1958

2019-10-25 Thread Steve Allen
o use just plain UT for things on earth, and ET (now relativisticly TT, or TCB, or TDB) for things not on earth. The principal printed appearance of new-UTC was in decrees from bureaucrats who were protected from seeing that the pracitioners of time did not agree that new-UTC was the best thing to use for

Re: [time-nuts] Are minutes more important in astronomy than seconds and hours ?

2019-11-23 Thread Steve Allen
e kept in the observer's head while marking the log book, and in the dark the big minute hand was a big help to a lone observer whose hands and nose were freezing while guiding the telescope by eye and slewing it to the next target by hand. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GP

Re: [time-nuts] 90ms delay of time signal on phase-modulated carrier of BBC 198KHz transmission in the UK (was: DST change on DCF77)

2019-11-20 Thread Steve Allen
4-19.pdf The current version ITU-R TF.460-6 says that time signals should not deviate by more than 1 ms from UTC. How can these broadcasts justify such a large offset? -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.9

[time-nuts] NTP pool reliability

2020-02-15 Thread Steve Allen
, and we have reconfigured the critical machines to use local servers. Has anyone else seen a degradation of reachability and delay to NTP pool? -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [time-nuts] Yukon to make Daylight Saving Time permanent after final time change Sunday

2020-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
e company who are at least being paid to address the problem. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [time-nuts] Gravity, solid Earth tides

2020-05-17 Thread Steve Allen
I have taken a much deeper dive through the history of geophysics and upon coming up for air... On Fri 2020-05-15T22:02:32-0700 Steve Allen hath writ: > On Fri 2020-05-15T21:49:43-0700 Tom Van Baak hath writ: > > Also, some of the very best pendulum clocks ever made were go

Re: [time-nuts] Gravity, solid Earth tides

2020-05-15 Thread Steve Allen
le enough optical network to measure the changing difference in their potentials. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread Steve Allen
ntinental Triangulation and the American Arc of the Parallel Assistant CHAS. A. SCHOTT, Chief of the Computing Division, USC ftp://ftp.library.noaa.gov/docs.lib/htdocs/rescue/cgs_specpubs/QB275U35no41900.pdf -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread Steve Allen
rvatory hosted one of the sites in 1888. google will reveal scans of a lot of the preliminary reports for the traverse in parts farther east. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [time-nuts] Voyager space probe question

2020-11-28 Thread Steve Allen
crystals http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2004ESASP.544..131A One of them has failed, and they were never always on, in which case the aux osc are other crystals https://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/DPSummary/Descanso4--Voyager_new.pdf -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Ob

[time-nuts] Re: in-ground clock room

2021-09-09 Thread Steve Allen
uot;garde-temps") were kept 27 m below ground in caves and galleries which were part of the Paris catacombs. Various issues of Bulletin Horaire report discontinuities in the operation of those clocks due to distant earthquakes. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GP

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2021-12-25 Thread Steve Allen
ot perceivable (~100ms). > At least in Europe. Did everyone involved in designing the hardware and software intend that phone to have precise time? https://www.jwz.org/blog/2010/07/what-at-t-doesnt-run-ntpd/ -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB

[time-nuts] Re: Derivation of time from celestial sight

2021-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
y measurement to determine the offset of the chronometer was using a sextant to shoot a lunar and determine the time based on the angle between moon and star. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High