Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Isolation in a carefully managed test setup can be done (with enough money to spend). Isolation it the real world with grounds and cables running here and there is likely to be a challenge. At least that’s been the case on the few dozen of these systems I’ve designed and put into production

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-27 Thread ed breya
Getting great isolation at 10 MHz is the easy part, given enough switching elements and control. One question is whether the switchover needs to be transparent (glitchless), without adding or losing any clock cycles, and ideally with no phase shift. This would involve a much more sophisticated

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread W7SLS
Hi Bob, Thanks for the quick reply, makes sense. 73 Scott W7SLS > On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > > Hi > > They are a pretty rare item. A more common approach is a disciplined > oscillator that > will do failover on it’s inputs. That’s still a rare item, but at least a >

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
rom: time-nuts On Behalf Of W7SLS > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:46 PM > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch? > > Hello, > > Looking for recommendation for a ‘failover’ or ‘redundant’ switch for 10 MHz > distribution. > > Not re

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Chris Caudle
On Thu, July 26, 2018 5:05 pm, Hal Murray wrote: > Has anybody built a microprocessor controlled PLL to handle this case? There are failover clock generators (integrated circuits), typically marketed for use in telecom equipment where there is a requirement to synchronize with a reference clock

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Scott McGrath
working I had a third system in a box ready to replace. So for any failure of the two live systems, all he had to do was flip the switch and call me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of W7SLS Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:46 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] 10

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Van Horn, David
for any failure of the two live systems, all he had to do was flip the switch and call me. -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of W7SLS Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:46 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch? Hello, Looking for recommendation

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > One interesting subtlety making something like this: > What if the two inputs aren’t quite on the same frequency? Purely as an > example, say they are 1 Hz off from each other. If you have 60 db of > isolation in your “switch” you get a 1 Hz offset spur that is 60 db

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One interesting subtlety making something like this: What if the two inputs aren’t quite on the same frequency? Purely as an example, say they are 1 Hz off from each other. If you have 60 db of isolation in your “switch” you get a 1 Hz offset spur that is 60 db down. Even something much

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread Scott McGrath
Build one yourself, Detector diode on primary RF input when output drops use a rf relay or PIN diode switch to fail over to backup standard.All thats needed is a crossing detector and relay / switch driver Yes there would be a momentary hit but it would work. Content by Scott Typos by

[time-nuts] 10 MHz 'failover' switch?

2018-07-26 Thread W7SLS
Hello, Looking for recommendation for a ‘failover’ or ‘redundant’ switch for 10 MHz distribution. Not really sure of the correct term. Something that sensed RF on primary 10 MHz, and then switched to secondary on fail of primary. A brief search showed several very nice $$$