Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-16 Thread Tim Shoppa
I understand several of the modern MEMS OCXO's use microcontroller PID control for the temperature, avoiding the need for any large capacitors for compensation. The microcontroller does a lot more than the heating job, judging by the PhD thesis I see coming out of China. They seem to feed-forward

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-16 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 9/15/2019 1:32 PM, Club Internet wrote: Rick, Thanks for this information. Actually the technology of C18 is not specified in the manual. Why should it necessarily be « foil » type and metallized? Is « foil » type same as « film » type? Of course the « mass » needs to be there (=> 3D

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread Club Internet
Rick, Thanks for this information. Actually the technology of C18 is not specified in the manual. Why should it necessarily be « foil » type and metallized? Is « foil » type same as « film » type? Of course the « mass » needs to be there (=> 3D printing services) Best Gilles. > Le 15 sept. 2019

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread jimlux
On 9/14/19 7:43 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: In the 40 years since the 10811 was designed, AFAIK, there as been zero (0) progress with respect to the capacitance per cubic centimeter of foil capacitors. I think that's because you're up against physics - foils can only be so thin

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-15 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The 10811 oven loop is only barely stable. It's stability is limited by the amount of capacitance that you can get in a cap of the size that will physically fit. BTW, this cap must be of the foil type, not the metallized type. If you are building a knock off of the 10811 and you can fit in more

Re: [time-nuts] 10811-Parts... (Using the thermal regulator circuitry)

2019-09-14 Thread Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts
Yes, I have more or less cloned the temperature regulation circuitryand used it for various heat control circuitry using other/similarsemiconductors that can handle elevated temperatures. The basic principle is nothing exotic. It can be found inmany applications all over the internet. What