Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-04-01 Thread Joe Leikhim
That same frequency 4.19304 MHz was used in the infamous Lockerbie flight 103 bom b timer, the Swiss made MEBO MST-13. The design of that timer was such that it could be optioned to be set up to hours. Why I know this? I was reading the history of this the other day and FBI's involvement

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Ian Stirling
On 3/31/19 5:29 PM, Neville Michie wrote: I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Simple answer is that it likely is an AT cut crystal. You can get a 1 ppm-ish sort of stability over 0 to 50 C out of an AT. The 32 KHz crystal you sort of expect to see likely has a couple hundred ppm-ish stability over the same temperature range. 32 KHz crystal have been the norm in

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Tim Shoppa
2 to the 22nd power is 4.194304MHz. 32768 Hz crystals are a tuning fork cut with a very different temperature curve than a typical AT cut which your 4.19MHz crystal probably is. Tim N3QE On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:03 PM Neville Michie wrote: > Hi, > I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread ed breya
I forgot to add that there's nothing remarkable about 4.194304 MHz in terms of stability - it's just high enough to fit in reasonably small packaging for clock use, and not take too-too much power. Lower frequencies can work just fine, but the crystal tends to get way bigger. The 32,768 kHz

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Dave M
Neville Michie wrote: Hi, I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better than usual accuracy.

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread ed breya
Your crystal doesn't show enough digits to see why it's a common value. The "exact" number should be 4.194304 MHz, which is 2^22. It can be divided by this base-2 integer conveniently to make 1 Hz for clock use. The crystal marking, especially on small, common parts is often rounded or

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Matthew D'Asaro
Easy. 2^22 is 4194304. This means that a crystal of that frequency connected to a chain of 22 flip-flops will produce one pulse per second. More modern Quartz clocks are based on 32768Hz crystals which is 2^15Hz. The reason for the change is that such low frequency crystals require a

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Neville Michie writes: >Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this >frequency was chosen? 2 to the 22nd power = 4194304 ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Dana Whitlow
Could it really be 4.194304 MHz (2^22 Hz)? Dana On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:03 PM Neville Michie wrote: > Hi, > I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. > In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years > on a C cell. > Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this >

[time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better than usual accuracy. Philips always had a