Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi Tim it is this amp which I mean: http://www.techlib.com/files/lowamp.pdf Actually I dont care too much about TO92 because I mostly use SMD parts anyways. Using dead-bug technique, they are even suitable for prototypes and experiments. Tobias On Sat., 4 Apr. 2020, 13:41 Tim Shoppa, wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Some vendors say "LF-1GHz" etc instead of the misleading "DC". True DC coupled amplifiers are a different universe. They must be differential. Search for differential amplifier IC'S from the usual suspects. You will find that the NF will be at least 7 dB and up. I'm not exactly sure why, but

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The file you reference is showing a rather complex single mixer setup. It simply omits the mixer from the schematic. The audio amplifier that is part of that setup is going to improve the measurement floor by a couple of db. With most people saying that it’s way to complex to set up to

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Tim Shoppa
Tobias, are you talking about the Wenzel AF Preamp that uses paralleled JFET's? That uses a 2SK369 JFET which is actually still in production and distribution and commonly available in TO-92 even. (Contrast with J310 which was once pure jellybean but today no longer made new in TO-92!!!) Tim

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Didier Juges
Search for Wenzel in the Manuals pages on my web site www.ko4bb.com Didier KO4BB On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 5:25 AM Dana Whitlow wrote: > What is a "Wenzel amp"? Are you referring to the broad line of amplifiers > made by Wenzel Assoc? > You sound like you've got some insight into what is inside

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread David C. Partridge
...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Taka Kamiya via time-nuts Sent: 03 April 2020 23:07 To: Discussion of Precise Time and Frequency Measurement Cc: Taka Kamiya Subject: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete? > But I have never seen a suggestion of MMIC like ones from Mini-circu

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-03 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi Taka what are those discrete amp designs you mention? I have seen some, but not those you mention. These which I have seen seem to be quite dated, use strange or old parts (selected 2SC... transistors which are not so easy to obtain here) or have other issues. There is also the Wenzel amp, but

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi With many (but not all) of the MMIC’s the phase noise / ADEV degrades more than a bit as you drive them near their “rated” output. Since you don’t *need* a lot of gain in a distribution amp, their high(er) gain is of no benefit. If you pad them on the input, noise figure degrades. If you

[time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-03 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I'm seeing a fairly obvious trend on this list.  When it comes to buffer amplifiers, many people, in fact, most I've seen recommends fast OP Amp.  Discrete Amp, such as ones from K5FX design, NIST design, Clifton amp, and others are mentioned only sometimes.  Trends are similar for distribution