Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread Bob Martin
Courtesy a quick internet search: http://insidegnss.com/south-korea-developing-an-eloran-network-to-protect-ships-from-cyber-attacks/ https://rntfnd.org/wp-content/uploads/Korea-Jamming-Chart.jpg There was lots of stuff like the above. It apparently just won't stay dead. It seems one

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Back in the day, Loran was monitored and corrections were published. If you really were “time nutty” about using Loran, you got the correction tables (in the mail) and post processed them into your measurements. Bob > On Sep 9, 2018, at 11:34 AM, paul swed wrote: > > The correction

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread paul swed
The correction stream is transmitted in the eLORAN signal and does require some form of reference site to transmitter connection. Just like GPS and lightspeed use RF to send corrections to the satellites. Loran C also did the same adjustments from a control site. But I am hearing nothing about

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <3d2ae1be-927a-574a-e7f0-c7d2d289d...@earthlink.net>, jimlux writes: >On 9/8/18 4:52 PM, paul swed wrote: >I suppose you could have a low rate network (i.e. not "the internet") >and for the most part, the propagation corrections (whether using 60kHz, >Loran, Omega, or GPS)

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Sep 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, jimlux wrote: > > On 9/8/18 4:52 PM, paul swed wrote: >> Hello to the group I won't quote figures here but did indeed help UrsaNav >> do testing. Hey 90 days with a HP 5071 that was a sweet deal at the cost of >> some power. >> They do send corrective data in

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-09 Thread jimlux
On 9/8/18 4:52 PM, paul swed wrote: Hello to the group I won't quote figures here but did indeed help UrsaNav do testing. Hey 90 days with a HP 5071 that was a sweet deal at the cost of some power. They do send corrective data in the signal from reference sites and that helps propagation

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-08 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group I won't quote figures here but did indeed help UrsaNav do testing. Hey 90 days with a HP 5071 that was a sweet deal at the cost of some power. They do send corrective data in the signal from reference sites and that helps propagation corrections in the receive software. It was

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Yup, and over something the size of a harbor, that works ok. It was done with the “old” Loran in a similar fashion and a couple of other ways as well. Expanding any of it to cover a country is a very different thing ….. I spent a lot of years trying to sell the designers of these

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The differential approach to eLoran involves running two local receivers. You look at the time of arrival on one and use it to “calibrate" the time of arrival on the other. Put another way - you look at the difference between the two arrival times. They can both “wander” over a 250 ns

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-08 Thread Bob Martin
Bob, I believe that information is transmitted with the eloran signal. Way back when, I remember there was an added pulse called the LDC pulse. I had to modify that pulse with each transmission based on an input to the transmit timing unit from the computer. I found the following on it:

Re: [time-nuts] Can eloran Backup GPS?

2018-09-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is the differential corrections. That’s not the way these systems are set up to work. They function with no external input other than the timing signal its self. Providing bandwidth to do correction signaling just isn’t part of the overall system design. If you wanted to use