Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi As explained to me, the corrections result in an improvement in location and that’s is their objective. They don’t care about any time error they might generate part of the correction process. You could call this sloppy math. Without a time reference in their system, they don’t have

Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-15 Thread jimlux
On 4/15/19 4:45 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi I have never seen any manufacturer recommend SBAS for improved timing. The simple answer seems to be that the reference system does not have time sources in it and that the software that generates the corrections does not consider time to be important.

Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Bob kb8tq writes: > The uBlox F9P (navigation / survey) device does not run SBAS. Their claim > is that things work better (for location) without it….. yikes …. And they may well be correct about it. The optimal position-hold position is the one which gives the smallest

Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-15 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I have never seen any manufacturer recommend SBAS for improved timing. The simple answer seems to be that the reference system does not have time sources in it and that the software that generates the corrections does not consider time to be important. SBAS (or WAAS or whatever) will

Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-15 Thread Azelio Boriani
When the PPS is generated by the internal free running oscillator, there is nothing to do: the sawtooth correction must be considered. The augmentation service will provide a better sawtooth estimate and a better position estimate as well. On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:00 AM Skip Withrow wrote: > >

Re: [time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-15 Thread Dustin Marquess
I’m sure it’s probably receiver specific. I know the M8 series of UBlox specifically say to disable SBAS for timing purposes. Not sure about the Novatel. -Dustin On Apr 14, 2019, 9:00 PM -0500, Skip Withrow , wrote: > I'm wondering if GPS augmentation services improve a receiver's 1pps >

[time-nuts] Do GPS augmentation services improve 1pps?

2019-04-14 Thread Skip Withrow
I'm wondering if GPS augmentation services improve a receiver's 1pps output? My specific interest is with the Novatel OEM6 series of receivers (but this issue is applicable to other receiver types as well). With this receiver an external 10MHz oscillator can be steered by the GPS receiver, so