Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-02-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are indeed TCXO’s out there that have exactly the same crystals in them as OCXO’s (other than the cut angle). They are not super common. AT based OCXO’s are not as popular as they once were. Large(r) package / high price TCXO’s also are not what most people go out and buy. All that

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:31:04 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > If you take a look at typical TCXO’s and XO’s in a real world environment, > their noise is higher than a similar > OCXO even at 100 Hz. If you are cleaning up something like a Rb, your loop > may well be below 1Hz. I always assumed,

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
. Januar 2019 07:45 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators At least one version is available from Mouser for $85. And I'm sure if I wanted to order one with something slightly different, Vectron would do it.> >From my pr

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
. Januar 2019 07:45 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators At least one version is available from Mouser for $85. And I'm sure if I wanted to order one with something slightly different, Vectron would do it.> >From my pr

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-25 Thread Mark Goldberg
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 3:05 PM Bernd Neubig wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry the URL given below was broken into two lines. In its total it must > read > > https://www.axtal.com/English/Products/OscillatorModules/PhaseLockedOscillat > orModules/ >

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-25 Thread Bernd Neubig
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] Im Auftrag von Bernd Neubig Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Januar 2019 07:45 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators >> At least one v

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-25 Thread Bernd Neubig
ailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Goldberg Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 23:16 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:01 PM jimlux wrote: > > At least one version is

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread jimlux
On 1/24/19 12:58 PM, jimlux wrote: On 1/24/19 1:04 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Luciano, Thanks for that overview, I was kind of looking for something like that and hoping that someone had some form of overview. It looks like this is a spec-sheet based investigation. Wonder if we could

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread Mark Goldberg
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:01 PM jimlux wrote: > > At least one version is available from Mouser for $85. > > And I'm sure if I wanted to order one with something slightly different, > Vectron would do it. > > > >From my previous experience (asking for a custom frequency TCXO) Vectron's business

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread jimlux
On 1/24/19 1:04 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Luciano, Thanks for that overview, I was kind of looking for something like that and hoping that someone had some form of overview. It looks like this is a spec-sheet based investigation. Wonder if we could collect up a measurement based one.

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread Achim Gratz
Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > The TODO point is to take a RaspBerry Pi, run a tight loop with all > which wiggles a GPIO pin with all interrupts disabled, and measure > the phase noise. You'll quickly find out that the ARM part of the BCM SoC is not fully in command. The VC4 GPU is calling all the

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread jimlux
On 1/23/19 9:22 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 1/23/2019 7:59 PM, jimlux wrote: My idea was to get an OCXO without the oven (or with the oven disabled) - the idea was that an OCXO will have high Q for good phase noise, and I can deal with the frequency shift due to frequency and

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
uot; time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com >A "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > time-nuts@lists.febo.com >Cc > Data Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:43:34 +0100 >Oggetto [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators >Fellow time-nuts, > >While we of

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread Mark Goldberg
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 11:00 PM Richard (Rick) Karlquist < rich...@karlquist.com> wrote: > > > The 10811 brings out oven and oscillator power separately. However, > if you don't power up the oven, the crystal will be way off frequency > so your idea is a non-starter. > > Not to go too far off

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-24 Thread tim...@timeok.it
of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@lists.febo.com Cc Data Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:43:34 +0100 Oggetto [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators Fellow time-nuts, While we often look at long-term stability, ADEV etc. we consider oscillators in their free-running properti

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/23/2019 7:59 PM, jimlux wrote: My idea was to get an OCXO without the oven (or with the oven disabled) - the idea was that an OCXO will have high Q for good phase noise, and I can deal with the frequency shift due to frequency and aging in the long term in other ways As it happens,

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread jimlux
On 1/23/19 12:43 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, While we often look at long-term stability, ADEV etc. we consider oscillators in their free-running properties. This is all fine and dany, but when we want to use an oscillator as a clean-up oscillator, the servo-loop with

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Goldberg
I'm using a Wenzel Phase Lock Oscillator as a "clean up" oscillator for my Bodnar GPSDO. I lack the capability to measure if it really can do as they advertise, but the 1 kHz away phase noise is claimed to be in the -170 dBc/Hz range. The ADC noise floor keeps me from measuring anywhere near that

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Magnus Danielson writes: >Consider for instance that we have a LPRO rubidium and we want to use a >clean-up oscillator to provide better phase-noise, what would be a good >selection? There are special devices for this, like Vectrons TRU-50, but they are hard to get hold

Re: [time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you take a look at typical TCXO’s and XO’s in a real world environment, their noise is higher than a similar OCXO even at 100 Hz. If you are cleaning up something like a Rb, your loop may well be below 1Hz. Like everything else, it becomes a “that depends” sort of thing. If your

[time-nuts] Good clean-up oscillators

2019-01-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, While we often look at long-term stability, ADEV etc. we consider oscillators in their free-running properties. This is all fine and dany, but when we want to use an oscillator as a clean-up oscillator, the servo-loop with surpress much of the low-frequency/high-tau