Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-31 Thread David Smith
-Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Julien Goodwin Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:54 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; Joe Leikhim Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators Reminds me a little of the crazy Eidophor projectors. "An Eid

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-31 Thread Joe Leikhim
Thanks that was a very cool presentation. Amazing that they made a sustainable commercial success out of something so wildly impractical. And the fact they made incremental improvements on the concept instead of giving it up for some different scheme is amazing. I got a sense that the

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-31 Thread Gary Woods
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:54:27 +1100, you wrote: >"An Eidophor was a television projector used to create theater-sized >images. The name Eidophor is derived from the Greek word-roots ‘eido’ >and ‘phor’ meaning 'image' and 'bearer' (carrier). Its basic technology >was the use of electrostatic charges

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-31 Thread Julien Goodwin
Reminds me a little of the crazy Eidophor projectors. "An Eidophor was a television projector used to create theater-sized images. The name Eidophor is derived from the Greek word-roots ‘eido’ and ‘phor’ meaning 'image' and 'bearer' (carrier). Its basic technology was the use of electrostatic

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread Joe Leikhim
This is fascinating. I am a bit skeptical if this actually happened. I had an opportunity to meet an engineer that was involved with early HDTV development. Apparently early in his career he invented a color projection CRT for cinema. It had some sort of target inside of it (I think plastic)

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: > Why would a MEMS resonator care about what gas it is surrounded by. It might care that it is surrounded by some gas. If the container is mostly empty, the He could be the only gas, so the pressure could go from x to 10x. It does sound unlikely to me, but not

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread Paul Alfille
Helium is lower density, a feature used to reduce turbulence in patients with airway stenosis. Perhaps the lower density changes the resonant frequency of the MEMS oscillators. (Though the penetration and concentration are rather suspect in this description.) Paul Alfille On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi More than sketchy, it sounds a bit crazy. MEMS are not a lot different than any IC in that you can get packaging issues. Put them in a high pressure “bomb” test and you will see the same issues that you do on any IC. The gotcha is that an IC is die coated and a MEMS oscillator likely is

Re: [time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread jimlux
On 10/30/18 3:50 AM, Adrian Godwin wrote: How sensitive to atmospheric environment are MEMs oscillators ? https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/9si6r9/postmortem_mri_disables_every_ios_device_in/ It gets closer to time-nuts territory in the earlier discussion - see captaincool's

[time-nuts] MEMS oscillators

2018-10-30 Thread Adrian Godwin
How sensitive to atmospheric environment are MEMs oscillators ? https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/9si6r9/postmortem_mri_disables_every_ios_device_in/ It gets closer to time-nuts territory in the earlier discussion - see captaincool's contribution some way down :