Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-30 Thread Dana Whitlow
Since propagation issues quickly degrade both frequency stability and time accuracy, I see little point in worrying about the difference between UTC and UTC(NIST). Of greater interest should be the meaningfulness of time transfer obtained with NIST's TMAS service. It is apparently referred to

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-30 Thread John Marvin
I was under the mistaken impression that WWV/WWVB had some type of direct line to NIST in Boulder. However, when I toured the facility in Fort Collins earlier this year, I learned otherwise.  The signals and carriers are derived/synced from "ordinary" HP (possibly some more recent

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread wb6bnq
Hi John, While, tonight, I cannot cite chapter and verse without a lot of research, I notice you are at a premiere university and certainly have even greater resources than I to obtain chapter and verse. However, I can give you the historical basis for your research. Going back in time the

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2018-08-29T21:41:26-0400 Bob kb8tq hath writ: > The whole issue of who is what goes back to some very obscure laws / rules > passed > quite a long time ago. It’s been a matter of debate (usually with beer > involved) for quite > a while. When I was a wee lad USNO was the legal time, and

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The whole issue of who is what goes back to some very obscure laws / rules passed quite a long time ago. It’s been a matter of debate (usually with beer involved) for quite a while. Bob > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:24 PM, Steve Allen wrote: > > On Wed 2018-08-29T19:49:59-0400 Bob kb8tq hath

Re: [time-nuts] OOPS on my wwv legal post

2018-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2018-08-29T19:49:59-0400 Bob kb8tq hath writ: > A few more details about “traceability”. USNO is by statute the official > source of time for the US. I suggest reading Matsakis, Levine, and Lombardi from this year's PTTI meeting. USNO and NIST are both legal sources for the US. The USNO