Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-19 Thread ed breya
One thing to be wary of, especially with 74AC running at full voltage, is that if you analog-bias an input midway, the internal supply current can go up. If the AC coupled input drive signal is big enough, then the input will spend little time near the middle threshold, so it's OK. If the

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you want to get the 74AC74 (or better the 74LVC74) running it’s best: 1) Power it off of 5.50V 2) Transform the drive signal so that it presents 5.5 to 5.8V p-p to the gate input. 3) Bias the AC signal so that it swings from about 0 to 5.5V Bob > On Jul 19, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Rick, On 2020-07-19 04:30, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > > Yes, the simple pair of resistors doesn't work well on TTL. > That was probably done by a production engineer, who was > working above his pay grade.  We can't all be Len Cutler. Sounds very reasonable. It's a crude hack and works

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-18 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 7/18/2020 6:25 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, A similar approach is used in the 10811 replacement oscillator setup for the 5065, where a 7474 is used to divide 10 MHz to 5 MHz. Signal conditioning consists of a DC-blocking cap and a pair of resistors to bias the mid-point. The produced

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, A similar approach is used in the 10811 replacement oscillator setup for the 5065, where a 7474 is used to divide 10 MHz to 5 MHz. Signal conditioning consists of a DC-blocking cap and a pair of resistors to bias the mid-point. The produced noise is at least 10 dB worse than you would expect.

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One very simple “fix” for the low voltage sine wave: Put in an L network and transform the load output to a higher impedance. Voltage goes up as square root of impedance change. For modest (2X ~ 4X) voltage changes, the lowpass L network still has modest Q and low component sensitivities.

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-18 Thread Didier Juges
A long time ago I used a 74AC74 to prescale a 100MHz VCO down to 25, the 74AC74 was AC coupled to the VCO and the signal was a fraction of a volt. Worked quite well. Probably not time-nuts quality but in a pinch it did the job at the time. Didier On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:37 PM Alex Pummer

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-11 Thread Alex Pummer
Hi Perrier https://www.y-ic.es/datasheet/3b/74F569SC.pdf   will work 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 7/11/2020 3:00 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts wrote: Learned List, On previous posts I was looking for a PDIP package 100 MHz decade divider. Reading just the front of the data sheet I thought that the

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi HC is the *slower* version of AC. If it makes it to 50 MHz, you are doing well ….. Bob > On Jul 11, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts > wrote: > > Learned List, > On previous posts I was looking for a PDIP package 100 MHz decade divider. > Reading just the front of the data

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The 74XX160/74XX162 is the decade divider that runs at maximum clock rate for the chip. Meaning no external feedback is necessary to make it work at divide by 5/10. The 74XX161/74XX163 can only divide by powers of 2 at maximum clock rate. You have to add feedback to divide by 5 and THAT is