Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I really think we're on the same page. Appendix A in the PRS-10 manual lists a set of recommended divider settings such that you can select values for the divider to add a bit more or less frequency offset so that you can bring the 10Mhz Oscillator into lock at 10Mhz regardless of what the Rb

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-14 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Page 19 in the 145190 data sheet sends you off to a bunch of app notes about designing the rest of the circuit. If the reference frequency used does not match what the loop filter is designed for, things will not go well. Spurs and damping are both dependent on things matching up. Bob >

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi In a normal PLL the discrete components on the PCB play a big factor in how the loop behaves. There are some chips that allow the current out of the detector to be varied a bit, even on those the discrete R’s and C’s are still the “big deal” in how the loop behaves. There will be a significant

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I suspect someone figured out some of the side effects what you're describing and adjusted the divisors to better match across all rows. I just wish SRS would have updated the manual if it was them. In my device, the R,N,A values were 6114,3456,29. The R,N,A values in the table in the docs on

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Christian, Good catch! If the values is scaled up by a factor of three, the phase comparator frequency is divided by three. This may or may not be much of an issue, depending on where on the range one is. Too low comparator frequency is known to cause an issue thought, but once it is

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ummm ….. e …… The divisors run down to an output port. There has to be a filter at that port to knock down the noise and make the loop close properly. When you multiply the divisors by three, you cut the frequency at that port by three. You also have a significant impact on the control

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Dana Whitlow
Thanks Forrest, I've added this to my documentation packed for my own PRS-10; I suspect that I'm only a year or two from (possibly) needing it myself. Dana On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:00 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Mainly wanting to post this to the list

[time-nuts] PRS-10 Missing SP values in Appendix A.

2019-09-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Mainly wanting to post this to the list so it will end up in the archives. So I decided to give calibration/adjustment of my bench PRS-10 a go. What I discovered is that on my particular unit, the frequency was enough off that in order to bring it close to spec, I had to adjust the Mag Offset to