[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-28 Thread n...@lazygranch.com
Generally this fet is internal and thus well known. On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:57:19 +0200 Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > Am 27.09.21 um 10:16 schrieb n...@lazygranch.com: > > I've only designed one LDO as a discrete chip (as opposed to a > > portion of a chip where performance just has to be good

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-28 Thread n...@lazygranch.com
Did you mean low ESR? A good switcher design will have an undervoltage lockout. There are a few groups that test a chip before release. One is the applications group. They will put the DC/DC on a bench supply and slowly dial up the voltage. Everything needs to behave at any voltage withing

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
Hi, On 2021-09-27 16:28, Lux, Jim wrote: On 9/27/21 7:22 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Indeed, Dana.  Texas Instruments has a nice "designer workbench" for their switching regulators like the TPS53400 to help select the components.  Using that worked much better than trying to follow the

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim
On 9/27/21 7:22 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Indeed, Dana.  Texas Instruments has a nice "designer workbench" for their switching regulators like the TPS53400 to help select the components.  Using that worked much better than trying to follow the data sheet circuits. I also found that high

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Indeed, Dana. Texas Instruments has a nice "designer workbench" for their switching regulators like the TPS53400 to help select the components. Using that worked much better than trying to follow the data sheet circuits. I also found that high ESR caps, particularly on the output, are

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Dana Whitlow
One other thing to consider with LDOs: some types can go unstable and oscillate with the wrong (combination of) capacitors on input and output. So any time you design in an LDO, it is important to closely scrutinize the datasheet and application note(s) and heed their warnings. Unless you like

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim
On 9/27/21 2:57 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 27.09.21 um 10:16 schrieb n...@lazygranch.com: I've only designed one LDO as a discrete chip (as opposed to a portion of a chip where performance just has to be good enough), so I have no guru status. That said, what spikes pass through a LDO if

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Gerhard Hoffmann writes: > Where it really counts is in the low Hz region, when even costly 1uF > show barely any effect. Do not overlook that electrolytics are variable capacitors, depending on pretty much anything and therefore may increase noise in the up-to-around-a-Hz domain.

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 27.09.21 um 10:16 schrieb n...@lazygranch.com: I've only designed one LDO as a discrete chip (as opposed to a portion of a chip where performance just has to be good enough), so I have no guru status. That said, what spikes pass through a LDO if you do it right is simply a capacitor

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-27 Thread n...@lazygranch.com
I've only designed one LDO as a discrete chip (as opposed to a portion of a chip where performance just has to be good enough), so I have no guru status. That said, what spikes pass through a LDO if you do it right is simply a capacitor divider comprised of the capacitance across the pass device

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-26 Thread Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
Hi, For spikes and RF, common ground is a chimera, a bed-time story for kids. The quicker you learn to understand that "ground wire" or "ground connection" is just another wire that has resistance, induction, various offsets and different noise, the "common" part is very much a "Your Mileage

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Once you put big inductors in the ground path …. it’s not a common ground anymore. Bob > On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:53 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann > wrote: > > > Am 27.09.21 um 00:34 schrieb Bob kb8tq: >> Hi >> >> If you start dumping major current spikes into a common ground, it’s >> amazingly

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-26 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 27.09.21 um 00:34 schrieb Bob kb8tq: Hi If you start dumping major current spikes into a common ground, it’s amazingly difficult to get rid of the results. First Principles know the law of the conservation of spikes: Capacitors convert voltage spikes to current spikes. Inductors

[time-nuts] Re: Death of a Capacitor

2021-09-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you start dumping major current spikes into a common ground, it’s amazingly difficult to get rid of the results. Bob > On Sep 26, 2021, at 6:21 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > > I got some interesting and unintended data today. I was measuring low phase > noise oscillators using a