[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-06-01 Thread glenlist via time-nuts
Carsten, around the edges of the patch are all fringing fields, so the required coupling to the plane may be quite low, depending on the design. The compromised ground plane may also be permitting some rear size pickup - multipath ! I'll do some EM modelling later to try and put some numbers

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-31 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 5/31/22 3:23 AM, Carsten Andrich via time-nuts wrote: On 31.05.22 01:10, glen english LIST via time-nuts wrote: Be aware not to confuse the antenna ground plane  (the patch will always have its own plane because the top metalization must be fed against a plane or counterpoise -  and a

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-31 Thread Carsten Andrich via time-nuts
On 31.05.22 01:10, glen english LIST via time-nuts wrote: Be aware not to confuse the antenna ground plane  (the patch will always have its own plane because the top metalization must be fed against a plane or counterpoise -  and a ground plane behind the antenna. I can see the usefulness of

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-30 Thread glen english LIST via time-nuts
Be aware not to confuse the antenna ground plane  (the patch will always have its own plane because the top metalization must be fed against a plane or counterpoise -  and a ground plane behind the antenna. I can see the usefulness of the larger ground plane for any purchased patch antenna to

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-30 Thread Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
Erik, The NEO-7M may have sawtooth correction output, have you checked that and made compensations? Since the oscillator is not steered and free-floating, the cycle-assignment of the PPS may be less than optimal so just measuring that without the compensation can cause a wider range of PPS

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-30 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi The variation you see is dependent on a number of things. One of them is space weather. If you do your run during a very active period ( typically peak sun spots) you may see some very dramatic swings on a single band device. Bob > On May 30, 2022, at 3:00 AM, Erik Kaashoek via time-nuts

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-30 Thread Carsten Andrich via time-nuts
Hi Erik, have you tried running all receivers off the same antenna via a power splitter (make sure to dc block all but one receiver)? That should remove the uncertainty due to antenna differences (location, RF characteristics, etc.). Also, are you using ground planes for your puck antennas?

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-30 Thread Erik Kaashoek via time-nuts
Further evaluation did shown the time differences between the 3 GPS modules was due to difference in the trigger level setting of the timer/counter and difference in length of GPS antenna cables. After removal of the phase drift due to Rb frequency offset the attached image shows the phase