Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Feb 6, 2021, at 5:44 PM, Bill Notfaded wrote: > > Let me know when I can buy one please! I'm not kidding. ;^} > This thread has drifted from Hydrogen Masers, to Mercury Ion clocks, to long beam Cs standards, and passes things like 5071’s while doing so. Which of those items are

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Wes
Although Mr. Wineland's IQ must be at least 50 points higher than mine, we do have something in common. I too owned a '36 Ford in my youth, about the same time as he did, although mine was a Cabriolet not a coupe, and I fitted it with an OHV Studebaker V8, a smaller displacement clone of a

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Bill Notfaded
Let me know when I can buy one please! I'm not kidding. ;^} Bill in Arizona On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 1:25 PM Tom Van Baak wrote: > > ptti/1981papers/Vol%2013_30.pdf > > Note the dialog on the last page. Dave Wineland went on to win the 2012 > Nobel prize in Physics: > > >

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
> ptti/1981papers/Vol%2013_30.pdf Note the dialog on the last page. Dave Wineland went on to win the 2012 Nobel prize in Physics: https://www.nist.gov/nist-and-nobel/dave-wineland/person-behind-nobel-prize-dave-wineland The first photo is fun, "Before he was a quantum mechanic...". Then

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Bob kb8tq
Cool !!! > On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Moin, > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:55:07 -0700 > "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > >> FWIW, about 20 years ago, Len Cutler and Robin Giffard of 5071A fame >> built several Hg ion clocks to be shipped to some govt customer I >>

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2021-02-06 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:55:07 -0700 "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > FWIW, about 20 years ago, Len Cutler and Robin Giffard of 5071A fame > built several Hg ion clocks to be shipped to some govt customer I > don't remember. One of the clocks was dropped by the shipping company > UPS or

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser, and Mercury Stored-Ion Clocks

2019-07-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <009b66fe-c0b0-4f80-8a79-4a487dcb0...@yahoo.com>, Demetrios Matsakis via time-nuts writes: > Demetrios Matsakis, as of this Saturday a USNO retiree, and as of August 1 a > consultant for Masterclock. Do Time Lords get to keep their TARDIS in retirement ? Best wishes for

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser, and Mercury Stored-Ion Clocks

2019-07-11 Thread Demetrios Matsakis via time-nuts
For what it’s worth, the mercury ion clocks were shipped to the US Naval Observatory. HP shortly thereafter did a market survey and concluded there was not enough profit in it. They did allow Len and Robin to give short-answer support, and the project fell to me. I found the clocks were

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Michael Wouters
I recently got some prices on Russian masers. The passive masers are about $us90K and the active masers are about $US250K. There’s apparently quite a bit of paperwork to do with the export licensing but it just needs a bit of patience :-) Cheers Michael On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 3:01 am, Bob kb8tq

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Michael Wouters
about 20 years ago, JPL was operating a Hg ion clock at the Tidbinbilla tracking station just outside Canberra, Australia. I think they installed a few at various nodes in the Deep Space Network at the time. It operated for a few years but never reliably enough to be a useful UTC clock ( we were

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: > I wonder what it would cost to build a trapped Hg ion clock - I don't think > it's $10M, but it might be in the range of $500k-1M if you pay people to do > the work. Things like the quadrupole trap and ion sources are catalog > items. If you are lucky, you might

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread jimlux
On 7/10/19 10:55 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: FWIW, about 20 years ago, Len Cutler and Robin Giffard of 5071A fame built several Hg ion clocks to be shipped to some govt customer I don't remember.  One of the clocks was dropped by the shipping company UPS or FedEX) and destroyed.  Only

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
FWIW, about 20 years ago, Len Cutler and Robin Giffard of 5071A fame built several Hg ion clocks to be shipped to some govt customer I don't remember. One of the clocks was dropped by the shipping company UPS or FedEX) and destroyed. Only then did Len learn that HP was self insured, probably as

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
> https://www.microsemi.com/product-directory/active-hydrogen-maser/4123-mhm-2010-active-hydrogen-maser Corby, Did you notice a week or two ago there's an updated version: https://www.microsemi.com/product-directory/active-hydrogen-maser/5548-mhm-2020-active-hydrogen-maser There are links to

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread jimlux
On 7/10/19 6:10 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Tom Van Baak said on Aug 29, 2013: The pursuit of precision tends to be exponential rather than linear. ... As a rough example in the ADEV world: - for 1e-11, you can buy almost any XO, TCXO, or risky OCXO for $10. - for 1e-12, you can find a

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One of the gotcha’s if you are in the US is that the most often seen “alternate brand” of Maser comes out of Russia. Depending on the phase of the moon and just what the rule book says this week, you may well not be able to bring one into the country. Back when things were a bit more

[time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread cdelect
Perrier, Hi! Depends on the type and model, Active or Passive Maser etc. I believe new active Masers run in the 1/4 million dollar range. T4 science offers some nice Passive Masers but I don't know the cost. pH Maser 1008 https://www.t4science.com/products/phmaser-1008/ On the basis of just

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Asked and answered before I think, but as far as I know a new maser is in the 2-300K euro range, a used one you can perhaps expect to pay about a tenth of that - if you can find one. Not that many around, but some of the older ones on VLBI sites are getting a bit long in the tooth. If you are

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Azelio Boriani
Tom Van Baak said on Aug 29, 2013: >The pursuit of precision tends to be exponential rather than linear. ... >As a rough example in the ADEV world: >- for 1e-11, you can buy almost any XO, TCXO, or risky OCXO for $10. >- for 1e-12, you can find a reputable OCXO on eBay for under $100. >- for

Re: [time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perry, The only H-maser with which I've had direct experience (the MHM-2010) costs around $250,000 new. But there are some other brands, mostly foreign. The immediate operating cost is that of AC power. IIRC, the '2010 uses about 100W or maybe 125W, *all the time*. The H-maser is *not* the

[time-nuts] Used Hydrogen Maser

2019-07-10 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes!, OK, I'll finally ask the question that probably a lot of list members wanted to know but were reticent to ask. First, what is the price of one of a new Hydrogen Maser? (This is important if I win the lottery.) Second, what would be prices for used Hydrogen Maser in *reasonable*