Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 168, Issue 21 SDRs and precision time

2018-07-24 Thread jimlux

On 7/23/18 5:58 PM, Graham / KE9H wrote:

It would be a lot easier if you used a GPSDO to synchronize your SDRs,
since both the time and frequency derived are several orders of magnitude
better than what you can get out of an LF receiver.  Any systems like this,
that I am aware of, use GPS, not LF.




This is essentially what we are doing for SunRISE - we're going to be 
flying 6 small satellites in a cluster about 10-15km across to image the 
sun from 0.2 to 22 MHz (or thereabouts).



http://www.tauceti.caltech.edu/science-at-low-frequencies-2016/slides/A/12_Lazio.pdf

We have a SDR which digitizes the RF, and a GPS receiver, and we log 
both the GPS observables and the filtered/downconverted RF.  Then, on 
the ground, we reconstruct the time and position when the measurements 
were made to do interferometry.


On Earth surface, this would be somewhat easier - I've been fooling with 
using 4 RTL-SDR receivers, 4 beaglebone green wireless, and 4 GPS 
receivers to do something similar.


As it happens, the challenge is in the non-determinate nature of the 
data path from RTL-SDR digitizer via USB (on the space version, we can 
arrange to use the same OCXO to drive the GPS sampler and the HF 
sampler, etc.), so I'm working it by generating a pilot tone that's 
"in-band".


Some years ago, we build a breadboard to demonstrate that this kind of 
thing is possible for a large array at L-band.

http://luxfamily.com/jimlux/rtd.htm






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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 168, Issue 21 SDRs and precision time

2018-07-23 Thread Graham / KE9H
It would be a lot easier if you used a GPSDO to synchronize your SDRs,
since both the time and frequency derived are several orders of magnitude
better than what you can get out of an LF receiver.  Any systems like this,
that I am aware of, use GPS, not LF.

--- Graham

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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 168, Issue 21 SDRs and precision time

2018-07-23 Thread Andre
Hi, has anyone ever combined an SDR and Anthorn atomic clock receiver module so 
that they can be synchronized?
the idea here is as a variant of a thinned array similar to WebSDR but using 
lots of smaller units to get around the thinned aray curse (tm)
and combining signals with suitable offset delays so that signal increases at 
the expense of noise.

-Andre



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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 168, Issue 21

2018-07-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi

I think it’s just the normal summertime drop-off. Everybody is on vacation…..

Bob

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Dan Kemppainen  wrote:
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I would tend to agree about the drop in traffic. Not sure if it's just a 
> quiet period, but there are many less messages than before in the digest.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On 7/23/2018 12:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote:
>> Could it be that the reflector drops messages?
>> I did not get Ulrich's? NO-Message and also not that from msimon6808.
>> It has become quite silent since the move to the new server.
>> Subjectively -6 dB.
>> Cheers, Gerhard
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Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 168, Issue 21

2018-07-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen

FYI,

I would tend to agree about the drop in traffic. Not sure if it's just a 
quiet period, but there are many less messages than before in the digest.


Dan


On 7/23/2018 12:00 PM, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote:


Could it be that the reflector drops messages?

I did not get Ulrich's? NO-Message and also not that from msimon6808.

It has become quite silent since the move to the new server.

Subjectively -6 dB.

Cheers, Gerhard



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