Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
Hi Brian, On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 00:46 -0500, Brian Kirby wrote: All the antenna's I have played with have been +5 volts for power. Is anyone aware of any other voltages ? (I know Garmin used +3V for some) Antcom antennas are often 2.5V to 24V. Aeroantenna's standard versions eats 5V to 18V.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335a opt 40 addendum

2008-10-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Norm, Norman J McSweyn wrote: Magnus, Thanks for the enlightenment! I modified the driver that NI has on their site. Works. Have been manually setting the trigger levels on the front panel. Now know how to use the -40 to do it. Great! Happy to help! I'll further modify the driver

[time-nuts] OT: Open Hardware Repository

2008-10-22 Thread Javier Serrano
Dear nuts, Sorry for this posting, only indirectly related to timing. For a long time I've been toying with the idea of a web-based Open Hardware Repository, and now it looks like we could allocate some resources to building it. Here are some preliminary and unofficial specs:

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Chuck Harris at 2008-10-22 15:01... I'd be interested to know if any antennas are in fact the other way around. Never even considered that. It would have been fairly trivial for them to put a bridge rectifier before the amplifier's power stuff, allowing for either

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Steve Rooke
2008/10/23 Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Chuck Harris at 2008-10-22 15:01... I'd be interested to know if any antennas are in fact the other way around. Never even considered that. It would have been fairly trivial for them to put a bridge rectifier before the

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Lux, James P
On 10/21/08 9:31 PM, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: Both the Trimble and Motorola modules use active antennae with 5V power - what I don't know is whether they are the same polarity. all my trimbles and oncores have +5 on center, ground on shield... I'd be

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Steve Rooke wrote: 2008/10/23 Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Chuck Harris at 2008-10-22 15:01... I'd be interested to know if any antennas are in fact the other way around. Never even considered that. It would have been fairly trivial for them to put a bridge

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Lux, James P wrote: On 10/21/08 9:31 PM, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: Both the Trimble and Motorola modules use active antennae with 5V power - what I don't know is whether they are the same polarity. all my trimbles and oncores have +5 on center, ground on

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Lux, James P
On 10/22/08 6:04 AM, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Chuck Harris at 2008-10-22 15:01... I'd be interested to know if any antennas are in fact the other way around. Never even considered that. It would have been fairly trivial for them to put a bridge

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Lux, James P
On 10/22/08 7:20 AM, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lux, James P wrote: On 10/21/08 9:31 PM, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: Both the Trimble and Motorola modules use active antennae with 5V power - what I don't know is whether they are the same

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335a opt 40 addendum

2008-10-22 Thread Norman J McSweyn
Magnus Danielson wrote: Dear Norm, Norman J McSweyn wrote: Magnus, Thanks for the enlightenment! I modified the driver that NI has on their site. Works. Have been manually setting the trigger levels on the front panel. Now know how to use the -40 to do it. Great! Happy to help!

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Lux, James P wrote: ... But not so trivial to provide the DC blocks in the ground side of the coax. The LNA is almost certainly some MMIC with RF ground==Vss Not any worse than providing the DC block on the center of the coax. There is a significantly different EMI/EMC impact for breaking

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore, Trimble Antennae

2008-10-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Lux, James P wrote: That's really kind of funny, in 29 years as an engineer, I have never had an accountant talk to me about design decisions. I tell them what it will cost, and they say ok. Lucky you... Not luck, but a conscious decision to stay out of consumer electronics. I could

[time-nuts] LPRO lamp decay

2008-10-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe this could be of interest. I have an LPRO continuously running since ending last January. Lamp volt was 7.92V. As of October 22 (today, 9 months later) the voltage is 7.7V. The voltage dropped by 0.22V. The VCXO Volt was 6.7V, and now is 6.8V. It is powered at 24V, and the temperature at

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Neville Michie
Hi Antonio, precise pendulum clocks also suffer rate jumps, the process of rate jumping seems to be common to most time counting systems. I have an LPRO rubidium oscillator. I mounted it on a heat sink with fins and placed it in an insulated box. A small (40mm) fan is switched to control

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Rick Karlquist
I'm not quite sure what the question is here, but when we made 10811 oscillators at HP, jumps happened. Some crystals were better than others, but no crystal was immune from jumps. With good quality crystals, you might be able to put an upper bound on the magnitude of jumps, like 10-9, but not

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Feher
Are you sure it is the tuning fork and not the reference for your counter? - 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October

Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identification

2008-10-22 Thread Brian Kirby
Might be a SMB. Björn Gabrielsson wrote: Hi List, I have a coax connector that I would like to identify. Se attached picture. To the left is a female TNC for reference. The unknown male is attached to the cable. Unknown female to the upper left as part of a T adapter. It looks

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Antonio, precise pendulum clocks also suffer rate jumps, the process of rate jumping seems to be common to most time counting systems. Thanks, I was missing this info. I have an LPRO rubidium oscillator. I mounted it on a heat sink with fins and placed it in an insulated box. A small

Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identification

2008-10-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Brian Kirby wrote: Might be a SMB. Björn Gabrielsson wrote: Hi List, I have a coax connector that I would like to identify. Se attached picture. To the left is a female TNC for reference. The unknown male is attached to the cable. Unknown female to the upper left as part of a T

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Rick I'm not quite sure what the question is here The question is: may anybody tell me (date and time) when a crystal jumped? (a sample response could be: my crystal jumped on January 22, 2006 12:25 UT). I would like to map in time as many jumps as possible. I hope someone in the

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you sure it is the tuning fork and not the reference for your counter? - 73 - Mike Hi Mike, the tuning fork jumps were in the order of e-7, while the references were a HP 10811 and a Racal Opt 04E both in the range of e-10. Thanks and 73, ANtonio

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Neville, Hi Antonio, precise pendulum clocks also suffer rate jumps, the process of rate jumping seems to be common to most time counting systems. I have an interest in this. May you point me to any references? 73, Antonio I8IOV ___

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
College freshman physics (in 1955) included a story about the probability of all atoms in a chalk board eraser moving the same way at the same time, causing it to jump off the board. The incredibly small probability of that happening was what kept solid matter apparently inert. I would not

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Mike S
At 06:48 PM 10/22/2008, Bill Hawkins wrote... I would not discourage you from looking for an intergalactic cause of jumps, but I think the laws of probability are quite sound. OTOH, perhaps Yoda is correct - I feel a disturbance in the force. :-)

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: A possible explanation is cosmic rays. The actual particle that gets to the surface of the Earth is so energetic that it would take a very thick lead shield to stop them. The Earth has enough mass that they can not go all the way through. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon So a test

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, In : Accurate Clock Pendulums by Robert Matthys (2004) Oxford University Press ISBN 0198529716, Pp264 In Chapter 8 , The Allen variance and the rms time error, on page 38 he writes: Figure 8.1 shows another characteristic of pendulum clocks - the clock will run relatively smoothly at one

Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identification

2008-10-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Björn: The Pasternack hard copy catalog, or the on line version: http://www.pasternack.com/pdf/catalog/ConnectorIdentifier.pdf are a handy reference to identify coax connectors. It's handy to have a pair of digital vernier calipers with switchable metric and inch displays to get the key

Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identification

2008-10-22 Thread Lux, James P
There IS a mini-TNC as I recall. My ancient (80s vintage) cellphone had such a thing on the antenna. There's also something referred to as a mini-UHF (presumably a small PL-259), but the amphenol catalog pitures show the serrated top of the female, and yours are smooth. The thread was 3/8 -24

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Bob Q
Do rubidium standards use an OCXO? Bob Q. - Original Message - From: Rick Karlquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps I'm not quite

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Max Robinson
This is a very interesting thread. When I retired from Western Kentucky University in 2001 I was given a very expensive mantel clock. Seven day wind up with a balance wheel. I have had a lot of fun regulating it over the last 7 years. Right now I have it holding within 5 seconds a month but

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Rex
Mike S wrote: At 06:48 PM 10/22/2008, Bill Hawkins wrote... I would not discourage you from looking for an intergalactic cause of jumps, but I think the laws of probability are quite sound. OTOH, perhaps Yoda is correct - I feel a disturbance in the force. :-) Could be

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-22 Thread Hal Murray
This is a very interesting thread. When I retired from Western Kentucky University in 2001 I was given a very expensive mantel clock. Seven day wind up with a balance wheel. I have had a lot of fun regulating it over the last 7 years. Right now I have it holding within 5 seconds a