Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared vs old GPS gear: Antennas?

2011-06-11 Thread George Dubovsky
I have recently done some side-by-side testing of a new PCTel antenna vs an older Trimble bullet antenna to see if there was any degradation of GPS operation. The PCTel had 26 dB gain and a sharp bandpass filter incorporated that was 60 dB down at the the lower edge of the GPS band (upper edge of

[time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-11 Thread Ron Hahn (EI2JP)
On 6/7/2011 10:40 PM, cook michael wrote: Le 07/06/2011 21:15, r...@lcs.mit.edu a écrit : I have an HP 58503A. It has an Option H14,H19 sticker on the back. The circuit board has 58503-60001 Rev C stamped on it. It has been running continuously and locked to GPS for a few days, and it knows

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-11 Thread jmfranke
GPS time differs from UTC by the number of leap seconds accumulated since the start of GPS time. Reseting the GPS clocks each time a leap second occurs would upset the code generators. The satellites stay in GPS time but do transmit the difference between UTC and GPS time to allow receivers to

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/11/2011 02:11 PM, Ron Hahn (EI2JP) wrote: On 6/7/2011 10:40 PM, cook michael wrote: Le 07/06/2011 21:15, r...@lcs.mit.edu a écrit : I have an HP 58503A. It has an Option H14,H19 sticker on the back. The circuit board has 58503-60001 Rev C stamped on it. It has been running continuously

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Best guess - a few million timing receivers are out there. Probably not over ten million. To replace them at new prices, figure $5000 each including the labor. Lots of variables, might be twenty billion dollars if you did a straight swap. Changing out antennas would be cheaper for the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/10/11 7:01 PM, Hal Murray wrote: li...@rtty.us said: There's an enormous amount of gear out there that gets timing off of GPS. That's an interesting claim. Does anybody have any data on the usage of GPS for timing? I assume there is one in every cell tower and one in every 911 call

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?, NTP

2011-06-11 Thread Ron Hahn (EI2JP)
On 6/11/2011 2:47 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/11/2011 02:11 PM, Ron Hahn (EI2JP) wrote: On 6/7/2011 10:40 PM, cook michael wrote: Le 07/06/2011 21:15, r...@lcs.mit.edu a écrit : I have an HP 58503A. It has an Option H14,H19 sticker on the back. The circuit board has 58503-60001 Rev C

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?, NTP

2011-06-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ron, Magnus, I am interested in UTC time for weather satellite reception, synchronising via NTP. I tried the GPSCON program for the Z3801A but could never get it to broadcast ntp information on my LAN. Recently, I have purchased some Sure GPS boards from Sure Electronics

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-11 Thread WA1ZMS
bob- you coming to greylock? -Brian, WA1ZMS On Jun 11, 2011, at 12:13 AM, bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote: That small hemispherical antenna could also have been 900mhz. I have one here @ home that is a combined gps/900mhz antenna from an ambulance tracking system. On Jun 10, 2011, at

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?, NTP

2011-06-11 Thread David J Taylor
Magnus, I am interested in UTC time for weather satellite reception, synchronising via NTP. I tried the GPSCON program for the Z3801A but could never get it to broadcast ntp information on my LAN. Recently, I have purchased some Sure GPS boards from Sure Electronics

Re: [time-nuts] locate 6 digit digital clock

2011-06-11 Thread Jason Rabel
Since people are showing off their clocks... I managed to get a Datum / Bancomm bc632D display from eBay a while back and it's pretty cool. From what I can tell, they took an off-the-shelf model from Beta Brite (Now I think owned by Adaptive) and put an extra board in there with the BNC

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-11 Thread J. L. Trantham
I have been wondering about this. Since leap seconds accumulate from time to time, there must be a 'difference' between GPS and UTC. Is the difference related to the rotation of the earth around it's axis and around the sun and thus the need to add a second or so from time to time as we do with

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-11 Thread jmfranke
The former. John WA4WDL -- From: J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A, GPS vs UTC? I have been

Re: [time-nuts] locate 6 digit digital clock

2011-06-11 Thread Ken , VK7KRJ
It's not up to time-nuts standard, but here is my gps clock I built some years ago. It uses a Motorola Oncore board for the gps and I didn't bother with trying to compensate for the delay my software causes. I did put in a routine to allow for daylight saving (curious concept- a bit like

Re: [time-nuts] locate 6 digit digital clock

2011-06-11 Thread Ken , VK7KRJ
Aarghh- it's too early in the morning for thinking- here is the url!! http://www.vk7krj.com/ham_stuff.html On 2011-06-12 06:55, Ken , VK7KRJ wrote: It's not up to time-nuts standard, but here is my gps clock I built some years ago. It uses a Motorola Oncore board for the gps and I didn't

Re: [time-nuts] locate 6 digit digital clock

2011-06-11 Thread Neville Michie
TRY http://www.vk7krj.com/ham_stuff.htm Neville On 12/06/2011, at 6:58 AM, Ken , VK7KRJ wrote: Aarghh- it's too early in the morning for thinking- here is the url!! http://www.vk7krj.com/ham_stuff.html On 2011-06-12 06:55, Ken , VK7KRJ wrote: It's not up to time-nuts standard, but here is

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt no usable sats.

2011-06-11 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
I bougth an Thunderbolt off E-bay some time ago, to use as reference for my spectrum analyzer and signal generators. I had it connected up with a couple of power supplies and it worked as it should. Today I put together an voltage inverter to get the -12V to the GPS in order to use it with an

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt no usable sats.

2011-06-11 Thread WB6BNQ
Hello Thomas, The first question is did you measure the minus 12 output of your inverter to make sure it was not being loaded down too far when powering the Thunderbolt ? If it was working on the original minus 12 volt supply properly, then it would seem that there is a problem with your

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-11 Thread James C Cotton
Any enterprise large enough to have an IT deparment needs precise timing. The cheapest stratum one source is GPS. I work at a Research II university and have several in our network. The time is the public key for our routers that send encrypted routing table updates to each other. There are

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-11 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I remember a professor at the University of Wisconsin Madison who postulated the advancement of Man could be measured by man's advancing technology of measuring time. We have come a long way to get down to nanoseconds, LigutSquared notwithstanding. I suppose the next advance will be to some