Re: [time-nuts] MH370 Doppler (Magnus Danielson)

2014-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 53f8060b.7020...@leikhim.com, Joe Leikhim writes: I applaud those applying their rather extensive math skills at this problem, but from the outside, it appears to me that the problem is so very complex (error prone) and so many assumptions are being applied, that folks time

Re: [time-nuts] MH370 Doppler (Magnus Danielson)

2014-08-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Joe, I did find it here: http://www.dca.gov.my/mainpage/MH370%20Data%20Communication%20Logs.pdf There is also some Inmarsat presentation giving a little more detail. At the same time, the data gathered is from a system not designed for navigation and positioning purposes. It gives a rough

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Keep in mind that watching the OCXO in a fixed ambient may not tell the whole story. Setting a PLL to 10,000 seconds on an OCXO and then ramping the temperature 40 or 80C is likely to create issues….. It’s very easy to fall into the “I only have a room that swings 0.2C” loop when looking

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Charles, I agree with your statement regarding the determination of the optimum time constant, but, as Bob Camp mentioned, temperature change has a significant impact on setting the value. My 'lab' is a non-airconditioned bedroom. My Tbolt doesn't have any active temperature control.

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Ed wrote: I don't think you're correct about the Miller GPSDO containing a Shera controller. Is there more than one Miller GPSDO? I was referring to this one, by James Miller G3RUH, which uses a Shera controller and 10811 OCXO: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/freqstd/frqstd.htm

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Dave M
Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what the manual is telling me. Next thing is to

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Now that I see it again, I think I knew about Miller's Shera version, but I purged it from my brain in horror and disgust. He bought a Z3801A, threw away the controller and added a Shera board. The Shera board is good, but . Ed On 8/23/2014 1:40 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Ed wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Dave, On 8/23/2014 3:51 PM, Dave M wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what

[time-nuts] Practical Survey-In Accuracy?

2014-08-23 Thread Bob Stewart
I've had the LEA-6T sitting in survey-in mode for about 17 hours, and at this point, the u-center software says that the Mean 3D Std Dev is 0.109 meters.  Given that my antenna is just a puck at the peak of the attic (never got around to adding the DIY choke-ring), has this reached the silly

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want / should do it with a *very* long time constant. Numbers in the one day to several days range are commonly seen. If you lock it up with a tighter (shorter time constant) loop, it will just wander around as it follows the GPS input. That’s what would

[time-nuts] Galileo launch puts two satellites into wrong orbit.

2014-08-23 Thread jim s
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/08/arianespace-soyuz-st-b-galileo-mission/ big oops at the minimum. Jim ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: If you have a temperature stable environment (or create one) you can get some very good results with an (good) Rb locked to a (good) GPS via a proper long time constant setup. It’s not easy, but it can be done. What's the temperature sensitivity of the typical

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Alexander Pummer
actually if the oscillator is stabil enough, with a very long time constant one could kill the phase modulation of the new WWVB format 73 Alex On 8/23/2014 6:27 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want / should do it with a *very* long time constant. Numbers in

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Ed wrote: I agree with your statement regarding the determination of the optimum time constant, but, as Bob Camp mentioned, temperature change has a significant impact on setting the value. My 'lab' is a non-airconditioned bedroom. My Tbolt doesn't have any active temperature control. If