[time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Martyn Smith
Just wanted to remind everyone it's illegal to import any electronic devices
into Europe without them having a CE mark.

I see there have been many projects like the Jackson Labs unit that have
been imported into Europe.  This is illegal.

I don't mean to knick pick, but it costs our company about $1 to CE mark
a product.  And if we add one small option, it must be CE marked again.  To
the small manufacturer, this kills us and doesn't allow us to offer low
prices.

Steve

Best Regards

Martyn

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 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:26:01 -0700
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 Hi,
 A new 10mhz distribution amplifier is available at amateur prices.
 Jerry N7EME is producing them. His website is at
 http://jwmeng.com/model_RDA-6.html
 Doug K6JEY




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 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:52:29 +1200
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 Doug Millar wrote:
 Hi,
 A new 10mhz distribution amplifier is available at amateur prices.
 Jerry N7EME is producing them. His website is at
 http://jwmeng.com/model_RDA-6.html
 Doug K6JEY



 There's  a few specifications missing:

 1) input impedance and return loss.

 2) output impedance and return loss

 3) phase noise

 These are essential if one is to make a rational decision on the
 suitability of the distribution amplifier.

 The outputs and inputs appear to share a common ground.
 This would preclude its use in some setups without external means of
 providing the required isolation.

 The other question is does the device use AGC to set the output level?
 If it does the phase noise floor will almost inevitably be relatively
 high compared to the state of the art.

 Bruce



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 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:55 +0200
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 Hi,

 I have a problem with a FTS-4040A standard, the LED major fault stays on 
 forever.
 When I use the monitor program from Symmetricom I see that my OCXO stays
 cold and I have no Cesium oven voltage. The OCXO does feel warm so this
 one is warming up, I don't know if the cesium oven is warming up since I
 can't feel any heat from the CBT.
 I also don't see any current from the ION pump.
 After opening the unit I found a burnt resistor R1 on one board, I don't
 know what it's function is but I would like to 

Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martyn Smith wri
tes:

Just wanted to remind everyone it's illegal to import any electronic devices
into Europe without them having a CE mark.

That is not true.

It is illegal to *sell* things without CE marks to the unwashed
public, but you are allowed to import for personal use.

In addition there are a vast array of exemptions, including
professional test  measurement equipment.

Furthermore, anything constructed before the CE mark requirement came
into force in their local country are OK.

I see there have been many projects like the Jackson Labs unit that have
been imported into Europe.  This is illegal.

No, it is not, stop spreading FUD.

Poul-Henning

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Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Rex
Martyn Smith wrote:
 I don't mean to knick pick, but ...
   

I assume you didn't mean to nitpick either.

Sorry. Not really important. I know it's bad form to criticize grammar 
on the internet but it caught my attention. Don't get me started on 
there, their and they're.



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Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Palfreyman
My pet hate is loose and lose.

And there are many sufferers on this forum too...

But no names!

:-)

Jim

2008/8/15 Rex [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Martyn Smith wrote:
  I don't mean to knick pick, but ...
 

 I assume you didn't mean to nitpick either.

 Sorry. Not really important. I know it's bad form to criticize grammar
 on the internet but it caught my attention. Don't get me started on
 there, their and they're.



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Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread David Ackrill
Jim Palfreyman wrote:
 My pet hate is loose and lose.
 

Perhaps we could form a chapter of the ?

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/apostrophe.htm

Dave (G0DJA)

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Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Rob Kimberley
It depends on local interpretations of the CE rules. UK as usual in all
things emanating from the EU does it all to the letter, so yes, it is
illegal here (may be a bit more relaxed up your way Poul, as common sense
and EU don't seem to mix down here!). 

One can get exceptions in a few cases, especially if military customers are
involved. But, the general rule is that if it hasn't got a CE mark in the UK
you can't sell it.

Rob Kimberley 

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Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martyn Smith
wri
tes:

Just wanted to remind everyone it's illegal to import any electronic 
devices into Europe without them having a CE mark.

That is not true.

It is illegal to *sell* things without CE marks to the unwashed public, but
you are allowed to import for personal use.

In addition there are a vast array of exemptions, including professional
test  measurement equipment.

Furthermore, anything constructed before the CE mark requirement came into
force in their local country are OK.

I see there have been many projects like the Jackson Labs unit that 
have been imported into Europe.  This is illegal.

No, it is not, stop spreading FUD.

Poul-Henning

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Re: [time-nuts] Importing into EEC

2008-08-15 Thread Rex
Avian branch of the Apostrophe Police:

http://www.xertech.net/pub/puncbird2.jpg

-Rex


David Ackrill wrote:
 Jim Palfreyman wrote:
   
 My pet hate is loose and lose.

 

 Perhaps we could form a chapter of the ?

 http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/apostrophe.htm

 Dave (G0DJA)

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