Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Look, If time does not exist, then this group is gonna look a little sick. Let`s speak no more of this...Don C. - Original Message - From: Tim Shoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... I was a physicist. After hearing way too many years about super-string theory, coordinate-free notation, etc. I quit, and now my day job consists of building/maintaining a supervisory control system that hurtles metal subway trains 450 to 600 feet long from a stop to 60 MPH and back again every minute or two, 4 times a day. To say that I quit is one interpretation, an equally valid interpretation would be that I completely flamed out in my first post-doc :-). I am so much happier now that I get to use coordinates again :-). It is increasingly frustrating that the several thousand clocks around the railroad are never synchronized, though! Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 28/07/2007 05:49:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is velocity times time. If time does not exist, then nothing moves. Reproduction becomes impossible. Even thought becomes impossible because neurons fire depending on the pulse rate at synapses. Not to mention communication and other things that are frequency sensitive, including light and radiant heat. And then there's the matter of Earth rotating in several ways. Since all of these things do exist, time exists. It is what goes on inside the brains of quantum physicists that leads them to make rash statements about things they cannot measure. As I recall, the derivation of the Planck length seemed suspect. -- But does time actually does exist in an absolute sense? There are intervals between events, that we refer to as time or the passage of time, and we choose to allocate a unit to this, the second, just as we choose to allocate units to distance and mass. Distance and mass, however, are a bit more user friendly, in that generally there is at least the possibility that a given distance or mass will remain obligingly the same for long enough to enable a repeat measurement, albeit within certain tolerances. This doesn't apply to time, nor to anything else once time becomes involved, which in itself, of course, makes the above statement extremely suspect:-) With time, it's those intervals between events that we seek to measure with ever increasing precision, and great fun it is too:-), but however repetitive given events are the same event never occurs twice and neither does the same interval. This may all seem boringly obvious but, since time depends for it's existence on these patterns of events and the intervals between them, the question as to whether time itself really exists as a quantity may turn out to be not quite so trivial after all. regards Nigel GM8PZR ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... Didier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 3:21 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist In a message dated 28/07/2007 05:49:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is velocity times time. If time does not exist, then nothing moves. Reproduction becomes impossible. Even thought becomes impossible because neurons fire depending on the pulse rate at synapses. Not to mention communication and other things that are frequency sensitive, including light and radiant heat. And then there's the matter of Earth rotating in several ways. Since all of these things do exist, time exists. It is what goes on inside the brains of quantum physicists that leads them to make rash statements about things they cannot measure. As I recall, the derivation of the Planck length seemed suspect. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm surprised that no one has come forth with the apposite quote from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. John Didier Juges said the following on 07/28/2007 09:29 AM: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... Didier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 3:21 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist In a message dated 28/07/2007 05:49:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is velocity times time. If time does not exist, then nothing moves. Reproduction becomes impossible. Even thought becomes impossible because neurons fire depending on the pulse rate at synapses. Not to mention communication and other things that are frequency sensitive, including light and radiant heat. And then there's the matter of Earth rotating in several ways. Since all of these things do exist, time exists. It is what goes on inside the brains of quantum physicists that leads them to make rash statements about things they cannot measure. As I recall, the derivation of the Planck length seemed suspect. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The question wether time exist is very interesting. But is it not elementary to ask before what we understand as time? (Interesting to hear people saying: I've no time... how if he lives at the same time and speed around?) My actual opinion is: Time is in fact a (invented) way to measure events, movements, variations, actions, finally all life. What we only can do is to compare different movements defining one as reference. At the moment looking to resonances and atomic decays seem to be the state of the art. But we do find still instabilities and do look for more stable actions. But what is stable against what? Are the found intervalls always stable and valid under any circumstances? I have some doubts . Speed of light is defined as absolute in vacuum - where we do have real vacuum, a complete nothing? And, speed of light is a measure needing distance and time - is distance constant? If and where nothing grows, moves, varies, there is no relation of this kind possible, there is - no time !? This could answer the question, what was before the 'big bang' - no time, no need to think about, not allowed!? In effect, there was as well no distance... During the past the expansion of the universe was not constant, perhaps it even will not be in the future, most likely. What about the big enigma gravity? We can only take our actual relative physical behave of matter to evaluate the time scale for the past - do we 'measure' correct? I would conclude, the way to measure the action and ongoing of our surrounding physical world by comparing to as most stable known physical long term effects is what we call time, but this seem to be relative and not at all absolute for ever. It would be very intersting what our future physicists will find out the next centuries. But it is fascinating to observe and measure more and more precise that what we call 'Time' ! carpe diem Arnold, DK2WT On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:21:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 28/07/2007 05:49:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is velocity times time. If time does not exist, then nothing moves. Reproduction becomes impossible. Even thought becomes impossible because neurons fire depending on the pulse rate at synapses. Not to mention communication and other things that are frequency sensitive, including light and radiant heat. And then there's the matter of Earth rotating in several ways. Since all of these things do exist, time exists. It is what goes on inside the brains of quantum physicists that leads them to make rash statements about things they cannot measure. As I recall, the derivation of the Planck length seemed suspect. -- But does time actually does exist in an absolute sense? There are intervals between events, that we refer to as time or the passage of time, and we choose to allocate a unit to this, the second, just as we choose to allocate units to distance and mass. Distance and mass, however, are a bit more user friendly, in that generally there is at least the possibility that a given distance or mass will remain obligingly the same for long enough to enable a repeat measurement, albeit within certain tolerances. This doesn't apply to time, nor to anything else once time becomes involved, which in itself, of course, makes the above statement extremely suspect:-) With time, it's those intervals between events that we seek to measure with ever increasing precision, and great fun it is too:-), but however repetitive given events are the same event never occurs twice and neither does the same interval. This may all seem boringly obvious but, since time depends for it's existence on these patterns of events and the intervals between them, the question as to whether time itself really exists as a quantity may turn out to be not quite so trivial after all. regards Nigel GM8PZR ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... I was a physicist. After hearing way too many years about super-string theory, coordinate-free notation, etc. I quit, and now my day job consists of building/maintaining a supervisory control system that hurtles metal subway trains 450 to 600 feet long from a stop to 60 MPH and back again every minute or two, 4 times a day. To say that I quit is one interpretation, an equally valid interpretation would be that I completely flamed out in my first post-doc :-). I am so much happier now that I get to use coordinates again :-). It is increasingly frustrating that the several thousand clocks around the railroad are never synchronized, though! Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is the comfort of familiarity :-) Well, as much as I am attracted by the mysteries of science, I am quite happy solving relatively mundane problems everyday like so many engineers. So much so that I am not sure what it would take to make me do something else. My name is not in any book and that's fine with me :-) Didier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:50 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist I was a physicist. After hearing way too many years about super-string theory, coordinate-free notation, etc. I quit, and now my day job consists of building/maintaining a supervisory control system that hurtles metal subway trains 450 to 600 feet long from a stop to 60 MPH and back again every minute or two, 4 times a day. To say that I quit is one interpretation, an equally valid interpretation would be that I completely flamed out in my first post-doc :-). I am so much happier now that I get to use coordinates again :-). It is increasingly frustrating that the several thousand clocks around the railroad are never synchronized, though! Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Completely agree with Didier and Tim. There's another observation about time: Events are spaced in time. If there is no time, then everything happens at once. Perhaps our Big Bang came from another universe running out of time (what a concept). Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:50 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... I was a physicist. After hearing way too many years about super-string theory, coordinate-free notation, etc. I quit, and now my day job consists of building/maintaining a supervisory control system that hurtles metal subway trains 450 to 600 feet long from a stop to 60 MPH and back again every minute or two, 4 times a day. To say that I quit is one interpretation, an equally valid interpretation would be that I completely flamed out in my first post-doc :-). I am so much happier now that I get to use coordinates again :-). It is increasingly frustrating that the several thousand clocks around the railroad are never synchronized, though! Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I really like your namesake's (Stephen) title for his original book A Brief History of Time and the newer version A Briefer History of Time. Now there is a time-nut. Very clever titles. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:34 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Completely agree with Didier and Tim. There's another observation about time: Events are spaced in time. If there is no time, then everything happens at once. Perhaps our Big Bang came from another universe running out of time (what a concept). Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:50 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting considering that a lot of people in the last half century or so have tried to do the opposite: relate everything to time simply because time is what we can measure most accurately, at least at the macro scale. I am an engineer, so this makes no difference to me, but I find it fascinating. Maybe I should have been a physicist... I was a physicist. After hearing way too many years about super-string theory, coordinate-free notation, etc. I quit, and now my day job consists of building/maintaining a supervisory control system that hurtles metal subway trains 450 to 600 feet long from a stop to 60 MPH and back again every minute or two, 4 times a day. To say that I quit is one interpretation, an equally valid interpretation would be that I completely flamed out in my first post-doc :-). I am so much happier now that I get to use coordinates again :-). It is increasingly frustrating that the several thousand clocks around the railroad are never synchronized, though! Tim. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
Money *does* exist, although not in large enough quantaties to be of much practical use, usually...Don C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:01 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore : If time=money, and money is in short supply, then there`s never enough time [to get things done]. This is verifiable empirricly, and may be the reason why rich people live longer, and why not so productive workers are paid less. Other conclusiond can be drawn, but I thought of these ones, myself.Don Collie jnr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:01 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I told a fellow co-worker about this thread today and his comments were: It's true that Time = Money, but. Wife = Anti-Money -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Collie Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist Furthermore : If time=money, and money is in short supply, then there`s never enough time [to get things done]. This is verifiable empirricly, and may be the reason why rich people live longer, and why not so productive workers are paid less. Other conclusiond can be drawn, but I thought of these ones, myself.Don Collie jnr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:01 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich people generally live longer because they do 'rich people' stuff... Live below there means, save, don't use credit; which reduces stress. Poor people on the other hand, do 'poor people' stuff, like run up credit cards, borrow money, don't save much; which dramatically increases stress (#1 reason for divorce). I'm not saying there aren't stupid rich people... after all; stupid is not illegal. What summed up the whole article for me was; time is defined to be what our clocks measure -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Collie Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist Furthermore : If time=money, and money is in short supply, then there`s never enough time [to get things done]. This is verifiable empirricly, and may be the reason why rich people live longer, and why not so productive workers are paid less. Other conclusiond can be drawn, but I thought of these ones, myself.Don Collie jnr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:01 PM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is velocity times time. If time does not exist, then nothing moves. Reproduction becomes impossible. Even thought becomes impossible because neurons fire depending on the pulse rate at synapses. Not to mention communication and other things that are frequency sensitive, including light and radiant heat. And then there's the matter of Earth rotating in several ways. Since all of these things do exist, time exists. It is what goes on inside the brains of quantum physicists that leads them to make rash statements about things they cannot measure. As I recall, the derivation of the Planck length seemed suspect. But it's all good fun, right up there with building a basement time standard - actually a frequency standard and a counter. There was a time when a time standard was a burning candle, or dripping water. Accuracy is limited by the available technology. Bill Hawkins Come to think of it, popular magazine writers are pretty good at twisting words, too. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
