Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Hi The basic issue is that below a certain dollar volume you go from being a factory direct account to being a distributor account. There is a little wiggle room in most contracts about the point that happens, but not a whole lot. Most of us simply do not do the millions of dollars / year volumes (per supplier) that get you into the factory direct category. Yes indeed this does apply directly to the AD9850. At one point we more or less tripped over the magic boundary with the AD9854 and set off some alarm bells at Analog Devices. The project died soon after that ... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:01 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards Sourcing parts in China is very different from the US or Europe. When I buy parts in the US I will first go to the distributor and get their price, then I will go to the manufacturer and get promised a better price, still through the distributor. The distributor still gets a cut, even if the parts come direct from the factory. In China, the distributor can be completely cut out (or take a much smaller cut) and the pricing blows away anything I can get here. Same parts, same factory, certified parts, and sometimes even shipped right from the factory. So in a way China is killing us on manufacturing because US manufacturers are giving the Chinese companies a strong price advantage. On 2/29/2012 6:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4843 - Release Date: 02/29/12 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Don Thanks for the heads up and it is amazing I just bought a few since I always seem to need various signals. It is amazing board oscillator etc. All in a handy dip style board I can actually work with. Regards Pual WB8TSL On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Don Thank you bought 2 Bert In a message dated 2/29/2012 4:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
On 2/29/2012 1:42 PM, Don Latham wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board There are several vendors selling similar things. I bought a couple and have just pulled the 9850 off one for another project of mine. Build quality is a bit odd, and documentation is extremely variable to be polite. And the 9850 was good :^) Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
another DDS to consider is the AD9851, same boards just a few $'s more -pete On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Hi They look like part of an eval kit. The docs on the kit might be out there. Bob On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Dan Rae dan...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/29/2012 1:42 PM, Don Latham wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board There are several vendors selling similar things. I bought a couple and have just pulled the 9850 off one for another project of mine. Build quality is a bit odd, and documentation is extremely variable to be polite. And the 9850 was good :^) Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Hi The 9851 is a bit more quiet. Bob On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: another DDS to consider is the AD9851, same boards just a few $'s more -pete On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
On 2/29/12 4:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi They look like part of an eval kit. The docs on the kit might be out there. Bob Like this http://www.analog.com/en/content/CU_AD9850_evaluation_tools/fca.html The part has been around a while * AD9850 Evaluation Board Software for Windows 3.1 (zip, 143,708 bytes) * * AD9850 and AD9851 Evaluation Software Source Code (zip, 208,643 bytes) However I don't see the eval board listed... The AD9850 is about $15 each Could be that they dumped all the eval boards...that's probably getting to be a 15-20 year old part. (although I think we actually used them on some spacecraft radar as a chirp generator.. the partnumber is familiar.. maybe SRTM?) On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Dan Raedan...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/29/2012 1:42 PM, Don Latham wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board There are several vendors selling similar things. I bought a couple and have just pulled the 9850 off one for another project of mine. Build quality is a bit odd, and documentation is extremely variable to be polite. And the 9850 was good :^) Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
Sourcing parts in China is very different from the US or Europe. When I buy parts in the US I will first go to the distributor and get their price, then I will go to the manufacturer and get promised a better price, still through the distributor. The distributor still gets a cut, even if the parts come direct from the factory. In China, the distributor can be completely cut out (or take a much smaller cut) and the pricing blows away anything I can get here. Same parts, same factory, certified parts, and sometimes even shipped right from the factory. So in a way China is killing us on manufacturing because US manufacturers are giving the Chinese companies a strong price advantage. On 2/29/2012 6:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4843 - Release Date: 02/29/12 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards
No kidding! My complaint for some years now is that chips and such are sold the same way as 19th century rubber goods...reps, jobbers, distributors, wholesalers, uncle TOM cobleigh and all... AnalogD does have a web store! Don Peter Gottlieb Sourcing parts in China is very different from the US or Europe. When I buy parts in the US I will first go to the distributor and get their price, then I will go to the manufacturer and get promised a better price, still through the distributor. The distributor still gets a cut, even if the parts come direct from the factory. In China, the distributor can be completely cut out (or take a much smaller cut) and the pricing blows away anything I can get here. Same parts, same factory, certified parts, and sometimes even shipped right from the factory. So in a way China is killing us on manufacturing because US manufacturers are giving the Chinese companies a strong price advantage. On 2/29/2012 6:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with products from China... That's also why new DVD players (with red laser diodes etc etc inside) can be sold for $29 retail profitably. bye, Said In a message dated 2/29/2012 13:45:10 Pacific Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will do just fine and the hard work is done... BTW, that price is about $4 less than AD's price per chip on a 5k reel. Dunno how they do it... Best, Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4843 - Release Date: 02/29/12 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
