Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay
A friend has been off Ebay because he was nearly beside himself after doing the same as you specify here for a beautiful Burroughs glass sided calculator. It arrived in an manner nearly identical to the one in David's package. The vendor claimed no liability to do what he took money for and refused to deal with it. It is hard to do anything to vendors that will get thru to them if Epay won't force them to perform with a special requirement with consequences to enforce these after buy agreements. the observation about UPS is especially true, they will try and say anything to escape paying. Unless they loose the package expect an argument on anything, they are thieves. Nothing to do but avoid them on shipping. Actually freight or Postal is the best choice. For freight a professional crate is your best protection, and my best luck has been with postal people who don't really care if they beat a claim if it is not patently BS. YMMV. My real sorry is always the loss of good equipment to those who simply don't care what they are shipping. I love to see it go to vendors who actually seem to care, though that is no guarantee. I've had some bad luck a few times picking what seemed to have been good vendors who started to go to crap. jim On 9/10/2012 7:31 PM, Jerry wrote: I ship and receive a lot of boatanchors (up to 100 lbs) and always request and specify double-box -- first with two layers of large bubble wrap and then use 1 or 2 blue R5 hard foamboard from Home Depot for all 6 sides of the second box. I offer to pay for the extra packaging material as I figure If it's not worth the cost of extra packaging then it's not worth buying. Jerry K1JOS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 11 September 2012 12:29, jim s j...@jwsss.com wrote: A friend has been off Ebay because he was nearly beside himself after doing the same as you specify here for a beautiful Burroughs glass sided calculator. It arrived in an manner nearly identical to the one in David's package. The vendor claimed no liability to do what he took money for and refused to deal with it. It is hard to do anything to vendors that will get thru to them if Epay won't force them to perform with a special requirement with consequences to enforce these after buy agreements. I think it is wrong that eBay don't force sellers to pay shipping costs both ways if a seller makes a mistake. If a buyer changes his mind, he will usually have to pay shipping both ways. I say usually, because under the Distance Seller Regulations in the UK, if an individual (non-business) buys an item at a fixed price from a business, and they get it and don't like it, the seller is legally obliged to pay the shipping both ways. Most sellers will try to riggle out of this, but they are obligied to pay. John Lewis is one store which openly advertises they will do it, but many have exclusions which are legally uninforcable. I believe auctions are not covered by the distance seller regulations, although I'm not 100% sure. Personally, if I get something and don't like it, I don't think it's unreasonable I pay the shipping charges unless an item has been mis-described, or like this, damaged due to negligence. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered by two very svelte young blondes. They babied that crate every step of the way into the building. Was also a pleasure to watch them work! If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:29:29 -0700, jim s j...@jwsss.com the observation about UPS is especially true, they will try and say anything to escape paying. Unless they loose the package expect an argument on anything, they are thieves. Nothing to do but avoid them on shipping. Actually freight or Postal is the best choice. For freight a professional crate is your best protection, and my best luck has been with postal people who don't really care if they beat a claim if it is not patently BS. YMMV. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I've had FedEx destroy packages. One was so bad the driver told me he didn't even want to accept it at loading but thought I should see it before sending it back. The seller told me they gave him a really hard time and wanted to deny any responsibility as he had packaged using a used box. Even if a carton is marked re-usable, do not destroy they will try using that as an excuse. I got another unit and never heard if he ever collected on the first one. Lately I have had better luck with the USPS, but I think it varies by location and other factors beyond our control. Peter Sep 11, 2012 11:38:35 AM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote: After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered by two very svelte young blondes. They babied that crate every step of the way into the building. Was also a pleasure to watch them work! If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:29:29 -0700, jim s the observation about UPS is especially true, they will try and say anything to escape paying. Unless they loose the package expect an argument on anything, they are thieves. Nothing to do but avoid them on shipping. Actually freight or Postal is the best choice. For freight a professional crate is your best protection, and my best luck has been with postal people who don't really care if they beat a claim if it is not patently BS. YMMV. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Fedex ground is awful. Fedex air is fine. I go out of my way not to use Fedex ground. Fedex ground is mostly remnants of RPS. Air and ground operate like two different companies, at least in attitude. I have no idea if there is a firewall between them. -Original Message- From: Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:02:15 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I've had FedEx destroy packages. One was so bad the driver told me he didn't even want to accept it at loading but thought I should see it before sending it back. The seller told me they gave him a really hard time and wanted to deny any responsibility as he had packaged using a used box. Even if a carton is marked re-usable, do not destroy they will try using that as an excuse. I got another unit and never heard if he ever collected on the first one. Lately I have had better luck with the USPS, but I think it varies by location and other factors beyond our control. Peter Sep 11, 2012 11:38:35 AM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote: After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered by two very svelte young blondes. They babied that crate every step of the way into the building. Was also a pleasure to watch them work! If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:29:29 -0700, jim s the observation about UPS is especially true, they will try and say anything to escape paying. Unless they loose the package expect an argument on anything, they are thieves. Nothing to do but avoid them on shipping. Actually freight or Postal is the best choice. For freight a professional crate is your best protection, and my best luck has been with postal people who don't really care if they beat a claim if it is not patently BS. YMMV. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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FedEx is great compared to UPS in Boulder. UPS boxes are usually crushed and beat up, FedEx the boxes are almost always pristine. Thomas Knox Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:02:15 -0500 From: n...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I've had FedEx destroy packages. One was so bad the driver told me he didn't even want to accept it at loading but thought I should see it before sending it back. The seller told me they gave him a really hard time and wanted to deny any responsibility as he had packaged using a used box. Even if a carton is marked re-usable, do not destroy they will try using that as an excuse. I got another unit and never heard if he ever collected on the first one. Lately I have had better luck with the USPS, but I think it varies by location and other factors beyond our control. Peter Sep 11, 2012 11:38:35 AM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote: After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered by two very svelte young blondes. They babied that crate every step of the way into the building. Was also a pleasure to watch them work! If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:29:29 -0700, jim s the observation about UPS is especially true, they will try and say anything to escape paying. Unless they loose the package expect an argument on anything, they are thieves. Nothing to do but avoid them on shipping. Actually freight or Postal is the best choice. For freight a professional crate is your best protection, and my best luck has been with postal people who don't really care if they beat a claim if it is not patently BS. YMMV. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 11/09/2012 13:17, David Kirkby wrote: If a buyer changes his mind, he will usually have to pay shipping both ways. I say usually, because under the Distance Seller Regulations in the UK, if an individual (non-business) buys an item at a fixed price from a business, and they get it and don't like it, the seller is legally obliged to pay the shipping both ways. Just to correct a small error here - the seller is not legally bound to pay postage both ways, the DSR allows the seller to specify that the buyer pays the return postage - as long as they do so before the sale. As someone who occasionally manages to sell items on ebay for (extremely) modest profit I would never try to wriggle out of my obligations under the DSR but paying for the postage one way can wipe out any revenue from an item, even if re-sold. Paying both ways is unfair to small sellers if it's purely a change of mind, although I agree I should pay IF it is my mistake or an item actually manages to arrive faulty despite the considerable care I take to test and, if necessary, repair items before sale. Larger distance sellers, can factor a few percent returns into their sales - I just don't do the volume to do so without pricing myself out of the market. As to the packaging for your item I feel your pain - I hate it when items arrive poorly packed. Fortunately I've been lucky so far and nothing has been signifcantly damaged. Sending I always use fat bubble wrap to give about 2 coverage, then peanuts packed into bags so that they can't flow around the item, for heavier items I us expanded polystyrene if I have it to hand and I've been toying with the idea of experimenting with expanding foam to give custom moulded support. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays for return shipping. I've seen this stated. Second, I note that of late, sellers are padding the hell out of the sales through excessive, even in some cases grotesque, shipping costs. They're bf high enough as it is... Don Paul Flinders On 11/09/2012 13:17, David Kirkby wrote: If a buyer changes his mind, he will usually have to pay shipping both ways. I say usually, because under the Distance Seller Regulations in the UK, if an individual (non-business) buys an item at a fixed price from a business, and they get it and don't like it, the seller is legally obliged to pay the shipping both ways. Just to correct a small error here - the seller is not legally bound to pay postage both ways, the DSR allows the seller to specify that the buyer pays the return postage - as long as they do so before the sale. As someone who occasionally manages to sell items on ebay for (extremely) modest profit I would never try to wriggle out of my obligations under the DSR but paying for the postage one way can wipe out any revenue from an item, even if re-sold. Paying both ways is unfair to small sellers if it's purely a change of mind, although I agree I should pay IF it is my mistake or an item actually manages to arrive faulty despite the considerable care I take to test and, if necessary, repair items before sale. Larger distance sellers, can factor a few percent returns into their sales - I just don't do the volume to do so without pricing myself out of the market. As to the packaging for your item I feel your pain - I hate it when items arrive poorly packed. Fortunately I've been lucky so far and nothing has been signifcantly damaged. Sending I always use fat bubble wrap to give about 2 coverage, then peanuts packed into bags so that they can't flow around the item, for heavier items I us expanded polystyrene if I have it to hand and I've been toying with the idea of experimenting with expanding foam to give custom moulded support. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Ebay fees don't reflect shipping cost, so the seller makes more money by inflating the shipping price, even if it reduces the final sales price. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Shipping is not cheap. It is not the seller's fault. If you think the shipping charges are out of line, report the item. I've done that. I've seen stuff offered for $0.01 + $80 shipping. -John = Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays for return shipping. I've seen this stated. Second, I note that of late, sellers are padding the hell out of the sales through excessive, even in some cases grotesque, shipping costs. They're bf high enough as it is... Don ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 9/11/2012 8:37 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg I worked on a project for MPI which was the tape division of Control Data on the Sentinel tape drive, which was an 8 form factor quarter inch cartridge drive. About the size of an 8 floppy. Part of the entire engineering project which had to pass successfully as much as moving tape and transferring data was a mandatory 3 point UPS test. You had to send the package out of Valley Forge, Pa, to the Bay area, to Atlanta, and back to Valley Forge, and at the end of the trip pass what they called DVT. It took them two tries to get the packaging to survive the UPS test. They had a very nice, easy to open but rugged structure inside with braces on parts that had to be removed before operation (motor was heavy enough to have broken on one pass). and then it was suspended in a hard foam floating arrangement in an outer tri wall box. They really wanted you to save the container if you had to reship It. Jim ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 11 September 2012 21:32, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays for return shipping. I've seen this stated. Second, I note that of late, sellers are padding the hell out of the sales through excessive, even in some cases grotesque, shipping costs. They're bf high enough as it is... Don I don't think that is necessarily the sellers fault. I've seen auctions where sellers have stated the shipping fees are set by eBay, but are excessive, and to contact them for a real shipping price. Perhaps this is only on international orders, but I often find sellers ship things at about 25% of the stated fees. A friend of mine today was telling me something had a shipping fee of $900, but when he queried it, he was quoted $150. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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It all works in UPS's favor. Larger, more robust packaging adds to weight and dimensional charges. The incentives are all there for them to be as rough as they can get away with. Why take extra care and go slower when you just blame the customer, and win by getting more money in the process? I appreciate the problem of improperly packaged goods, just pointing out the financial incentive angle. I once sold a receiver and shipped it UPS. I used multiple wraps of heavy bubble wrap in a box, then that weird military cushioning which is like scouring pads, inside a double walled outer box. You could drop this thing 20 feet. But it didn't survive being run over by a truck! Tire marks and all. UPS denied the claim because the inside box was previously used, even though not shipped, it had labels from my company, and they defined that as used. So yeah I got myself a bad attitude towards them. Peter Sep 11, 2012 05:15:48 PM, jwsm...@jwsss.com wrote: On 9/11/2012 8:37 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what they put the packages through. Greg I worked on a project for MPI which was the tape division of Control Data on the Sentinel tape drive, which was an 8 form factor quarter inch cartridge drive. About the size of an 8 floppy. Part of the entire engineering project which had to pass successfully as much as moving tape and transferring data was a mandatory 3 point UPS test. You had to send the package out of Valley Forge, Pa, to the Bay area, to Atlanta, and back to Valley Forge, and at the end of the trip pass what they called DVT. It took them two tries to get the packaging to survive the UPS test. They had a very nice, easy to open but rugged structure inside with braces on parts that had to be removed before operation (motor was heavy enough to have broken on one pass). and then it was suspended in a hard foam floating arrangement in an outer tri wall box. They really wanted you to save the container if you had to reship It. Jim ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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For me, the link does not work. About a month ago I received a 8566B with both the handles broken off. So I feel your pain. It was packed in a box filled with foam peanuts. - Original Message - From: David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg Note the box is far too small, and so obviously both units suffered damage. He takes no reponsibility for this, and originally expected me to ship it back at my expense, and still pay the shipping charges from the USA. So I'd pay for two international shipments, as well as customs duties. After I pointed out Paypal would expect him to pay the shipping to me, he has agreed to refund the USA - UK shipping charges, but he still expects me to pay the UK - USA shipping costs. I object to this, since it was his total stupidity the thing not damaged. I don't see why I should pay for someone elses stupidity. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 11 September 2012 00:18, Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net wrote: For me, the link does not work. You mean http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg does not work? Perhaps the line has wrapped. Can you see the contents of the directory http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/ ? There are several files in that directory related to this, but they are large, as they are direct from my 12 mega pixel camera. About a month ago I received a 8566B with both the handles broken off. So I feel your pain. It was packed in a box filled with foam peanuts. This was packed in a box with empty cardboard boxes inside! I guess that is cheaper than even peanuts. The damage is more severe here, as the VNA does not power up. One BNC connector on the rear is bent too. There are seals on the unit, so I can't open it to find out what the damage is. The S-paramter test set can't be tested without the VNA, so I don't now if there is any damage beyond the bent handle on that. Dave - Original Message - From: David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg Note the box is far too small, and so obviously both units suffered damage. He takes no reponsibility for this, and originally expected me to ship it back at my expense, and still pay the shipping charges from the USA. So I'd pay for two international shipments, as well as customs duties. After I pointed out Paypal would expect him to pay the shipping to me, he has agreed to refund the USA - UK shipping charges, but he still expects me to pay the UK - USA shipping costs. I object to this, since it was his total stupidity the thing not damaged. I don't see why I should pay for someone elses stupidity. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Items can swim through peanuts. You can put the peanuts in bags so the items in the box don't reach the outside. -Original Message- From: Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:18:15 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay For me, the link does not work. About a month ago I received a 8566B with both the handles broken off. So I feel your pain. It was packed in a box filled with foam peanuts. - Original Message - From: David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packaging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg Note the box is far too small, and so obviously both units suffered damage. He takes no reponsibility for this, and originally expected me to ship it back at my expense, and still pay the shipping charges from the USA. So I'd pay for two international shipments, as well as customs duties. After I pointed out Paypal would expect him to pay the shipping to me, he has agreed to refund the USA - UK shipping charges, but he still expects me to pay the UK - USA shipping costs. I object to this, since it was his total stupidity the thing not damaged. I don't see why I should pay for someone elses stupidity. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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I ship and receive a lot of boatanchors (up to 100 lbs) and always request and specify double-box -- first with two layers of large bubble wrap and then use 1 or 2 blue R5 hard foamboard from Home Depot for all 6 sides of the second box. I offer to pay for the extra packaging material as I figure If it's not worth the cost of extra packaging then it's not worth buying. Jerry K1JOS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of li...@lazygranch.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:07 PM To: Tom Miller; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay Items can swim through peanuts. You can put the peanuts in bags so the items in the box don't reach the outside. -Original Message- From: Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:18:15 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay For me, the link does not work. About a month ago I received a 8566B with both the handles broken off. So I feel your pain. It was packed in a box filled with foam peanuts. - Original Message - From: David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay I hope the list admin does not mind this email, but I think it will be useful to any time nut buying test equipment from eBay. orzel-enterprises sells electronic test equipment on eBay. I would advise anyone to think twice before purchasing from him. This is how he shipped a vector network analyzer and S-parameter test set which I won on an auction for $2750. It was shipped from the USA to the UK. http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/kirkby/damaged-VNA-by-inadequate-packa ging/badly-shipped-8753A-and-85046A.jpg Note the box is far too small, and so obviously both units suffered damage. He takes no reponsibility for this, and originally expected me to ship it back at my expense, and still pay the shipping charges from the USA. So I'd pay for two international shipments, as well as customs duties. After I pointed out Paypal would expect him to pay the shipping to me, he has agreed to refund the USA - UK shipping charges, but he still expects me to pay the UK - USA shipping costs. I object to this, since it was his total stupidity the thing not damaged. I don't see why I should pay for someone elses stupidity. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
