Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-12 Thread ziggy9+time-nuts
W1KSZ >> >> >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >> >> From: time-nuts <time-nuts-boun...@febo.com> on behalf of Dr. David Kirkby >> <drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-11 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: ewkehren via time-nuts <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Bert may I ask how you created the charts (what software are you using).Thank You     On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 9:04:58 a.m. EDT, ewkehren via time-nuts <time-nuts@

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-11 Thread Heinz Breuer
uts <time-nuts-boun...@febo.com> on behalf of Dr. David Kirkby > <drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:24:41 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Cc: gandal...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Richard Solomon
, 2018 12:24:41 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: gandal...@aol.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? On 10 April 2018 at 17:11, Clint Jay <cjaysh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sad to say I think I was right, the listings have been pulled already and >

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
Unless I copied the number incorrectly earlier it does seem likely that Ebay has pulled that auction. It may still be showing up to those who "bought" them but a straight search on that number returns nothing, either in completed or running listings, nor does it show up now in searches for

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
ecise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Most of the Chinese cheapo units have been frequency, not phase locked. It would be great if you could put the GPSDO outputs into a 2 Channel scope and eyeball them for a while to see if

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10 April 2018 at 16:56, donald collie wrote: > I have the Chinapost tracking numbers, so I don`t think it`s a scam - just > real good value. I hope you are right, but I doubt you are. It is not uncommon to be sent fake tracking numbers. I was 99% sure a Keithley

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10 April 2018 at 17:11, Clint Jay wrote: > Sad to say I think I was right, the listings have been pulled already and > the seller now has zero items for sale. > The listing has not been pulled. Yes the seller has 0 to sell, but because he has sold out of the 100. I still

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread CORNACCHIA via time-nuts
e-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Most of the Chinese cheapo units have been frequency, not phase locked. It would be great if you could put the GPSDO outputs into a 2 Channel scope and eyeball them for a while to see if they appear in phase (say plus-minus

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread CORNACCHIA via time-nuts
How did You Pay for them, I cannot make a payment On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 2:01:41 p.m. EDT, W7SLS - Scott Scheirman wrote: I ordered 2.  We shall see Scott No connection with seller(s) Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:13 AM, gandalfg8---

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Looks like 100 is all he had (or all he put up on this auction). It will be interesting to see what (if anything) we all get ….. Bob > On Apr 10, 2018, at 12:44 PM, W7SLS - Scott Scheirman > wrote: > > I ordered 2. We shall see > Scott > No connection with

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread W7SLS - Scott Scheirman
I ordered 2. We shall see Scott No connection with seller(s) Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:13 AM, gandalfg8--- via time-nuts > wrote: > > > > > Is this auction # 273145006434, actually showing at $9.77 here in the UK, and > from a recently registered

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10 April 2018 at 16:23, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 10 April 2018 at 15:32, Clint Jay wrote: > >> Ahh, I've found the listing, has anyone received one? >> >> I hate to say this but I'm highly sceptical that they will ever turn up, >>

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Clint Jay
Sad to say I think I was right, the listings have been pulled already and the seller now has zero items for sale. Get those paypal refund cases logged. On 10 April 2018 at 15:13, gandalfg8--- via time-nuts wrote: > > > > Is this auction # 273145006434, actually showing at

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread donald collie
I have the Chinapost tracking numbers, so I don`t think it`s a scam - just real good value. I have the eBay guarantee, anyway. I`m just looking for a superior frequency standard at the moment, but the timenut bug might bight. How could I take the average of two [now three]. A man with three

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Richard Solomon
As we say in the world of DX'ing (Ham Radio) ... "Work First Worry Later" I just ordered two of them. If they are bogus, e-Bay will make good on them. 73, Dick, W1KSZ Sent from Outlook From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
rement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Ahh, I've found the listing, has anyone received one? I hate to say this but I'm highly sceptical that they will ever turn up, looks and smells very much like the standard eBay scam to me. On 10 April 2018 a

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 10 April 2018 at 15:32, Clint Jay wrote: > Ahh, I've found the listing, has anyone received one? > > I hate to say this but I'm highly sceptical that they will ever turn up, > looks and smells very much like the standard eBay scam to me. > -- > Clint. M0UAW IO83 > I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I certainly would not pay with anything other than PayPal. There is a very real risk ….. Bob > On Apr 10, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > > Ahh, I've found the listing, has anyone received one? > > I hate to say this but I'm highly sceptical that they will ever

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Clint Jay
Ahh, I've found the listing, has anyone received one? I hate to say this but I'm highly sceptical that they will ever turn up, looks and smells very much like the standard eBay scam to me. On 10 April 2018 at 14:52, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Simple answer is that the

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Simple answer is that the “simple” approaches don’t do much to improve things. Errors are indeed un-correlated, even off of the same antenna. You *could* average the result off of the two. That might improve things by sqrt(2). My experience is that the bumps and lumps (when they do occur)

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
ct: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Am Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:43:25 +1200 schrieb donald collie <donaldbcol...@gmail.com>: > I`ve just bought two GPSDO`s from China @ US$9-50 each [This is not an > error!] They are stated as being new, and use a Trimball dual oven >

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
; Date: 4/10/18 6:46 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage? Most of the Chinese cheapo units have been frequency, not phase locked. It would be great if you could put the GPSDO outp

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Mike Feher
Sounds to me like you have two independent systems. I do not believe they can ever be “coherent”. Regards – Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of donald collie Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Florian Teply
Am Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:43:25 +1200 schrieb donald collie : > I`ve just bought two GPSDO`s from China @ US$9-50 each [This is not an > error!] They are stated as being new, and use a Trimball dual oven > OCXO. I plan to run these in parallel [2 antennas, 2 feedlines, and 2

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Tim Shoppa
Most of the Chinese cheapo units have been frequency, not phase locked. It would be great if you could put the GPSDO outputs into a 2 Channel scope and eyeball them for a while to see if they appear in phase (say plus-minus 20ns) over a few hours. Tim N3QE > On Apr 10, 2018, at 1:43 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
I bought one too, is a mistake, I am holding my breath  supposedly shipped I previously bought two one for Jürg because it's performance, easier to clean up             Bert Kehren Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: donald collie Date: