Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-04-02 Thread pablo alvarez
Hi Javier, As far as I understand in WR both references are synchronous. Why don't you try to track both references (or N references) simultanously? If you take care of the design, your performance should increase while locked and the transition from one reference to the other if you ever miss

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-09 Thread Javier Serrano
This is a great list. Thanks everyone! Much of the material relates to cases where good holdover needs to be maintained for several hours, but there's a lot of insight to be gained from the reading, and I am sure those techniques will come in handy for other projects. Thanks again! Javier On

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Charles Steinmetz
You may find the following Master's thesis useful: http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/download.php?file=08_Stuff_Not_Sorted/8_Sept_28_2014_Uploads/Adaptive_OCXO_drift_correction_thesis_Zhou_2009.pdf Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Tim Shoppa
The state of the art 20 years ago is described here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/96dec/dec96a9.pdf They understood their OCXO very very well. And you can find EFC trends on the web for hundreds of different Z3801A's (and similar) if you want to see how the EFC trends (and occasionally jumps).

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 10:21:08 +0100 Javier Serrano javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com wrote: We would like to start working on holdover performance for White Rabbit [1]. This is a new domain for us. Our main use case is a WR switch losing its reference because someone disconnects a fiber. We can

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Javier, If you are aim to do hold-over as you switch between two sources, you are looking at reasonably short times, then just keep a fixed voltage to the oscillator suffice. Even if you need a little longer times, say 10-20 s, it suffice. Temperature changes and oscillator drift may be the

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/6/15 1:21 AM, Javier Serrano wrote: Dear all, We would like to start working on holdover performance for White Rabbit [1]. This is a new domain for us. Our main use case is a WR switch losing its reference because someone disconnects a fiber. We can have redundancy, but it will take some

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Javier Serrano
Thanks for your ideas. On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Is your PLL analog or digital? I'll assume digital since it's hard to hold analog voltages stable for several seconds. Yes, it is digital. It's even software. It runs on an LM32 [1] soft core

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Hal Murray
javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com said: We have never worked on holdover, and I am wondering if we can do something smarter than the obvious feeding of some constant voltage to the VCXO, based on averaging during the locked state. Does anybody know of any good references on holdover? I doubt