Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
I for one would insist on complete situational awareness at all times. The alternative is being LOST. That can be bad for one's health. The last time I was willingly lost was when Betty and I were returning from the Palace Real in Madrid and we decided to just start walking to the east. Then

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread mc235960
Le 8 oct. 2013 à 10:29, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX a écrit : I for one would insist on complete situational awareness at all times. The alternative is being LOST. That can be bad for one's health. That is not the same as not wanting to be FOUND. ___

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Scott McGrath
And some of them have considerably higher EIRP, Like THIS one, As you can see they are not sophisticated devices they are intended to swamp the real GPS signal, Spoofers would be much harder to detect which is why GNSS systems intended for military use rely on encrypted signals and fairly

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi But there's obviously something wrong with the 400 KM number. 1) If +10 dbm is good enough to burry a useful signal at that distance, it should be good enough to communicate at that distance. That's pretty impressive QRP without high gain / directional antennas involved. 2) The radios (at

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/8/13 4:17 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi But there's obviously something wrong with the 400 KM number. 1) If +10 dbm is good enough to burry a useful signal at that distance, it should be good enough to communicate at that distance. That's pretty impressive QRP without high gain / directional

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Chris Albertson
It does no good to prohibit clients from using GPS on land because unless you keep them blindfolded the entire time they will see and photograph their surroundings. People with some training can find location to within about 25 feet with no GPS even in a flat dessert. I've hiked out to find a

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/07/2013 01:36 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Anything that will receive up there should be able to tell you when a jammer comes by. The issue is that not a lot of gear is made for that band (other than GPS receivers). The easy approach would be to use a modern GPS module that puts out noise

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well finding a +10 dbm 1.5 GHz transmitter isn't very hard to do at all. I've got several of those…. Bob On Oct 8, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 10/8/13 4:17 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi But there's obviously something wrong with the 400 KM number. 1) If +10

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Anything that will receive up there should be able to tell you when a jammer comes by. The issue is that not a lot of gear is made for that band (other than GPS receivers). The easy approach would be to use a modern GPS module that puts out noise level / jamming information. Bob On Oct

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Alan Melia
Pro+ USB SDR at $200 and free software. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer? Hi

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread David J Taylor
Many scanners now go to that frequency e.g AOR AR-8600. (100kHz to 2GHz ) They are hardly state-of-the-art receivers but should be capable of detecting jammers driving past. However a new unit is quite pricey $1000 equivalent in the UK as little as $300 for a used version. Also the AMSAT FCD Pro+

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Collins, Graham
- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: October-07-13 10:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer? Many scanners now go to that frequency e.g

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread David J Taylor
From: Collins, Graham [] I wonder if the Fun Cube Dongle will be likewise changed (perhaps it already has). Cheers, Graham ve3gtc = Yes, Graham, it already has been updated: http://www.funcubedongle.com/?page_id=1073 Adds more filtering and HF

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/7/13 7:46 AM, Collins, Graham wrote: Indeed, the inexpensive DVB-T dongles are showing up in many places including as David noted, decoding GPS. The AMSAT Fun Cube Dongle is a very capable and interesting device. Interestingly it uses the same Elonics E4000 front end chip that many of

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/7/13 8:01 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Collins, Graham [] I wonder if the Fun Cube Dongle will be likewise changed (perhaps it already has). Cheers, Graham ve3gtc = Yes, Graham, it already has been updated:

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Raj
I think that when a GPS chip reports that there are no satellites found then you got a jammer or a tunnel! At 07-10-2013, you wrote: Hi Anything that will receive up there should be able to tell you when a jammer comes by. The issue is that not a lot of gear is made for that band (other than

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Hal: Yes you can detect jammers driving by. There was a prior case of unintentional GPS jamming around Moss Landing harbor, Monterey Bay, California caused by a faulty (oscillating) active TV antenna on a boat that was powered 24/7. Military GPS receivers, like the DAGR or PLGR-II,

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread J. Forster
On spacecraft hardware, even though something is a bit old, it does make sense to use it. Space qualifying a piece of hardware is very, very expensive, because it requires a lot of shake and bake plus thermal vaccuum and other things. Furthermore, there are always unknowns. Do YOU really want

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Albertson
Taylor Sent: October-07-13 10:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer? Many scanners now go to that frequency e.g AOR AR-8600. (100kHz to 2GHz ) They are hardly state-of-the-art receivers but should be capable

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Said Jackson
Yes, there is equipment out there today that can be used: UBlox offers jamming detection and level. We incorporated that into the later JLT products, and even made a special board for a customer that displays the GPS spectrum in real time showing the jammers in the frequency domain. Bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread David J Taylor
From: Jim Lux Yes, Graham, it already has been updated: http://www.funcubedongle.com/?page_id=1073 Adds more filtering and HF coverage, but also has a dead zone between ~240 and 420 MHz. So much for receiving signals from Transit at 400 MHz (grin) or from Mars (The rovers relay through

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/7/13 10:44 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Jim Lux Yes, Graham, it already has been updated: http://www.funcubedongle.com/?page_id=1073 Adds more filtering and HF coverage, but also has a dead zone between ~240 and 420 MHz. So much for receiving signals from Transit at 400 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/7/13 8:31 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: OK so let's say you have a receiver and detect a certain about of power at the right frequency. How do you determine which of three cases you have (1) an actual GPS signal from a satellite. (2) a spoofer (who tries hard to look like #1) or (3) a

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread David I. Emery
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:02:13AM -0700, Jim Lux wrote: On 10/7/13 7:46 AM, Collins, Graham wrote: The AMSAT Fun Cube Dongle is a very capable and interesting device. Interestingly it uses the same Elonics E4000 front end chip that many of the inexpensive DVB-T devices do. Apparently Elonics

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, these specific jammers do, but someone asked the general question how to detect a jammer and a sophisticated jammer will use no more power than is requires so as to avoid detection. Could it be that there are such devices and they are successful at avoiding detection?Likely not as at

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
In general, we expect a jammer to be involved in criminal activity. What about a wilderness guide whose reputation is built on finding the best spots to view Nature's wonders. Should he or she be happy to let people in the guided group save the coordinates of those spots in order to compete with

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/7/13 9:30 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: In general, we expect a jammer to be involved in criminal activity. What about a wilderness guide whose reputation is built on finding the best spots to view Nature's wonders. Should he or she be happy to let people in the guided group save the

Re: [time-nuts] How hard is it to detect a GPS Jammer?

2013-10-07 Thread David I. Emery
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 11:30:57PM -0500, Bill Hawkins wrote: In general, we expect a jammer to be involved in criminal activity. What about a wilderness guide whose reputation is built on finding the best spots to view Nature's wonders. Should he or she be happy to let people in the guided