Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-25 Thread David
Something else occurred to me after I posted. A 0.15 volt glitch could come from capacitive coupling if there was an open in the PPS output of if it was an adjacent pin. On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:52:50 -0800 (PST), Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: Thanks all for the responses. I am

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Said Jackson
Mark, Are you terminating the 1PPS output with 50 Ohms? They expect 1M Ohms.. Bye, Said Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: Greetings. I recently acquired two Z3805A gpsdo's from the usual auction site. (These units look like a

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
and, yes, if your 'scope has the 50ohm/1Mohm input capability, use the 1M one. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote: Usually the PPS output from the Z-series GPSDO is a 26uS wide (from the HP58503A datasheet) TTL pulse. To measure it you must use a

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
Usually the PPS output from the Z-series GPSDO is a 26uS wide (from the HP58503A datasheet) TTL pulse. To measure it you must use a fast oscilloscope (because of the fast pulse rise time) and an analog or digital memory (because of the very low repetition rate). The best is to use a digital

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Hal Murray
mspencer12...@yahoo.ca said: Does any one know the specified output level for the 1pps signals or have a high confidence measurement of the output voltage that they could share with me ? (Measuring fast rise time signals is not really my forte and I don't trust my measurements of an apparent

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
TTL transition times are not all that fast, about 6ns for LS TTL, and with a 26uS pulse width, you would only need a fast oscilloscope to characterize the pulse edges. Delay, phase, and pulse height measurements in this case could be made even with a 20 MHz, 0.35/20Mhz=17.5ns rise and fall time,

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks all for the responses. I am routing the signal via 50 ohm coax to the 1Meg ohm input of a 100 Mhz analog scope using dc coupling. After some fiddling with the trigger settings I am able to observe a brief pulse every second that appears to be .15 volts above ground. I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
I can think of some possibilities with the caveat that I am not familiar with the Z3805A units: 1. The PPS output could be damaged. 2. The PPS output could be an open collector/drain output which requires a pull-up resistor since it can only sink current. 3. The PPS output might have trouble