RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-15 Thread Mike Palij
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:11:28 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: Hi Mike et al. - Mike, thanks for the helpful clarification. I have to confess that I was initially confused by your message until I later realized that you we referring not to the press story described in David Hogberg's message,

RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-15 Thread Jim Clark
Hi The supplement to the PNAS article can be found at http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2010/06/03/1000690107.DCSupplemental/sapp.pdf Figures s5 and following show clearly the pattern, including the replication. Findings were partly replicated in sense that both studies show effect of

[tips] A recent corr/causation example

2010-06-15 Thread michael sylvester
So far explanations for the so called differences have not been addressed.Statistical rectitude has nothing to do with the underlying explanations as to differences in test scores.One issue that should be addressed is the idea that the within group-variance among black kids is smaller than that

RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-15 Thread Mike Palij
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:45:53 -0700, Jim Clark wrote: Hi The supplement to the PNAS article can be found at http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2010/06/03/1000690107.DCSupplemental/sapp.pdf Many thanks to Jim for pointing out the supplement which makes a number of points in the article clearer..

[tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread David Hogberg
from today's Reuters Health Report: Murder rates affect IQ tests scores: study Maggie Foxhttp://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=usn=maggie.fox;, Health and Science Editor WASHINGTON Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:36pm EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A murder in the neighborhood can

RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread Lilienfeld, Scott O
both. - Zen Buddhist text (slightly modified) From: David Hogberg [mailto:dhogb...@albion.edu] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] a recent corr/causation example from today's Reuters Health Report: Murder rates affect IQ

Re: RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread don allen
others have to say. -Don. - Original Message - From: Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu Date: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:16 pm Subject: RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu This study, which I haven't read

RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread Bourgeois, Dr. Martin
: Lilienfeld, Scott O [slil...@emory.edu] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:15 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example This study, which I haven’t read, raises another question (in addition to the correlation-causation question) that I

Re: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread Lilienfeld, Scott O
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example This study, which I haven’t read, raises another question (in addition to the correlation-causation question) that I always find interesting to ponder…when does detecting an effect in one

RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread Mike Palij
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:16:07 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: This study, which I haven't read, raises another question (in addition to the correlation-causation question) that I always find interesting to ponder...when does detecting an effect in one group (e.g., African-Americans) but not

Re: RE: [tips] a recent corr/causation example

2010-06-14 Thread michael sylvester
To me description or analysis of data is one thing but explanation is quite another.I will not argue with the statistical analysis(main,simple,and interactional effects).Seems relable so far but as to validity of constructs more information is needed.I do not buy the witness to violence and