Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Geoffrey Keating
m...@sap.com (Martin Rex) writes: > If anyone really thinks that there should be a scheme where a > server's hostname is no longer transfered in a cleartext (including > TLS extension SNI), then first of all a *NEW* distinct URI method > should be defined for that purpose, e.g. "httph://" as a

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:41 PM Martin Rex wrote: > Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Martin Rex wrote: > > > > > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > > > draft available at > > > >

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Martin Rex
Eric Rescorla wrote: > Martin Rex wrote: > > > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > > draft available at > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > > > Please review

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:03 AM Martin Rex wrote: > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > draft available at > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > > Please review the

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 7:40 AM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:18:27AM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > I'm responding to Ben here, because I think it's worth adding some > clarity. > > However, I want to flag that I'm going to be rather short on time for the > > next > > few

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Martin Rex
Sean Turner wrote: > > This is the working group last call for the > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > draft available at > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > Please review the document and send your comments to the list > by 2359 UTC on 31

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> (1) provides a channel for DANE records that is reliable in the absence of >> an attack > > I think this alone would be worthwhile -- and is the purpose I have always had > in mind for the draft. Well, a security mechanism that

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, I think this is more-or-less ready and I support publication. My comments below, none of which are show-stoppers but they might be worth a look. Cheers, S. 1. Shouldn't there be some mention of CT here somewhere? Say if we have a good solution, but the hidden service's cert is in CT

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Sean Turner
> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:40, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > Seeing as you are busy the next few weeks, perhaps I can ask the chairs > to go through the email history and summarize these substantial issues > that have been raised -- I am not confident that I could reproduce them > from memory,

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:18:27AM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > I'm responding to Ben here, because I think it's worth adding some clarity. > However, I want to flag that I'm going to be rather short on time for the > next > few week and not able to spend a lot of time replying to traffic on this

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
I'm responding to Ben here, because I think it's worth adding some clarity. However, I want to flag that I'm going to be rather short on time for the next few week and not able to spend a lot of time replying to traffic on this topic. Even more than usual, non-response to some point does not

Re: [TLS] Interim notes and draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension next steps

2018-10-17 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 01:46:20AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > > That said, it sounds like negotiating the details of how to do this > > pinning is the main blocker, and i'm sick of this proposal being blocked > > (because i want it for