Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

2021-06-23 Thread Carrick Bartle
Cool. I might leave that for a different PR, but if something along those lines seems obvious or necessary, I'll go ahead and do it. > On Jun 23, 2021, at 4:37 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > > Whatever you can do to improve the readability of this document would be > greatly appreciated. It's

Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

2021-06-23 Thread Christopher Patton
+1 to new readers! I think a chronological description would be a good starting point, though like MT, I suspect there would be rearranging to do afterwards that would break with a strictly chronological description. Chris P. On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 4:48 PM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On

Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

2021-06-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 24/06/2021 00:37, Martin Thomson wrote: Whatever you can do to improve the readability of this document would be greatly appreciated. +1 though I have to admit I've really been mostly looking at diffs at this stage - probably some new readers/coders are needed, S. It's a complicated

Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

2021-06-23 Thread Martin Thomson
Whatever you can do to improve the readability of this document would be greatly appreciated. It's a complicated design and I always spend far too much time trying to find answers to my questions. A better structure would be appreciated. I do find that questions aren't always about

Re: [TLS] ECH Padding

2021-06-23 Thread Christopher Patton
I support adopting #443. For the server side, I have a weak preference for #457 (2) over #313 (3) because it makes it easier to implement a complete solution. I have not yet assessed how hard it is to implement ... perhaps it would be best if we all tried it out in our respective stacks and report

[TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

2021-06-23 Thread Carrick Bartle
Hi all, I'm bringing https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/issues/412 to the list since it looks like we're (hopefully) getting close to the end game with ECH. The ECH draft is currently organized such that it describes all client behavior and then all server behavior. Personally, I