Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-23 Thread Rob Sayre
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:35 AM David Benjamin wrote: > I'll add that if we're wrong and someone *does* need these, it is all the > more important that we communicate our intentions! The current situation is > that we have effectively deprecated this by not adding a way to use those >

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-23 Thread David Benjamin
I'll add that if we're wrong and someone *does* need these, it is all the more important that we communicate our intentions! The current situation is that we have effectively deprecated this by not adding a way to use those certificates in TLS 1.3, but we forgot to say so. A hypothetical

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-23 Thread David Benjamin
Having worked on a TLS implementation and removed code for this, I can tell you that is *not* simply a natural side-effect of supporting DH certificates. These modes interact with the TLS handshake logic a fair bit. They omit the ServerKeyExchange message and change the ClientKeyExchange message.

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-23 Thread Peter Gutmann
Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL writes: >Nobody in the real world employs static DH anymore – in which case this draft >is useless/pointless It's not "any more", AFAICT from my inability to find any evidence of the certificates needed for it in 25-odd years it's "nobody has ever used static DH"

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-22 Thread Filippo Valsorda
is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.* > * > - C. A. R. Hoare* > > > *From: *TLS on behalf of Viktor Dukhovni > > *Date: *Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 14:07 > *To: *tls@ietf.org > *Subject: *[EXT]

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-21 Thread Rob Sayre
*TLS on behalf of Viktor Dukhovni < > ietf-d...@dukhovni.org> > *Date: *Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 14:07 > *To: *tls@ietf.org > *Subject: *[EXT] Re: [TLS] Deprecating Static DH certificates in the > obsolete key exchange document > >

Re: [TLS] [EXT] Re: Deprecating Static DH certificates in the obsolete key exchange document

2024-04-21 Thread Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
. - C. A. R. Hoare From: TLS on behalf of Viktor Dukhovni Date: Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 14:07 To: tls@ietf.org Subject: [EXT] Re: [TLS] Deprecating Static DH certificates