Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-31 Thread Mark O
Some comments on draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption-03: Section 2.3 "End-to-end alternatives" "Enterprises can deploy monitoring software to control usage of the enterprises [sic] computers." At the moment enterprises have the option of installing a firewall performing SNI filtering to black-list

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-18 Thread Salz, Rich
>Nope, I've raised this *EVERY* time on the list when the dead horse was newly beaten. And you were in the minority, the WG consensus has clearly been to work on this, despite your objections. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-18 Thread David Fifield
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 07:25:38PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > >> As it is, there are a number of servers which desperately require > >> the presence of TLS extension SNI, or will fail TLS handshakes either > >> by choking and dropping connections (Microsoft IIS 8.5+) or by > >>

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Geoffrey Keating
m...@sap.com (Martin Rex) writes: > If anyone really thinks that there should be a scheme where a > server's hostname is no longer transfered in a cleartext (including > TLS extension SNI), then first of all a *NEW* distinct URI method > should be defined for that purpose, e.g. "httph://" as a

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:41 PM Martin Rex wrote: > Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Martin Rex wrote: > > > > > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > > > draft available at > > > >

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Martin Rex
Eric Rescorla wrote: > Martin Rex wrote: > > > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > > draft available at > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > > > Please review

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:03 AM Martin Rex wrote: > Sean Turner wrote: > > > > This is the working group last call for the > > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > > draft available at > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > > Please review the

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Martin Rex
Sean Turner wrote: > > This is the working group last call for the > "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" > draft available at > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. > Please review the document and send your comments to the list > by 2359 UTC on 31

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, I think this is more-or-less ready and I support publication. My comments below, none of which are show-stoppers but they might be worth a look. Cheers, S. 1. Shouldn't there be some mention of CT here somewhere? Say if we have a good solution, but the hidden service's cert is in CT

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-16 Thread Martin Thomson
This is a pretty good piece of information that is very nearly done. Regarding the idnits results, DoH is done, but DTLS and QUIC are still a way off. Would we prefer publication with downref or waiting? For me, this depends somewhat on the maturity of the documents that depend on this. I'd be

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-16 Thread Sean Turner
All, I ran I-D nits before hitting the appropriate buttons to place this draft in WGLC. I figured we could address the following before we send the draft to Ben: == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-tls-tls13 has been published as RFC 8446 == Outdated reference: A later version (-14)

[TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption

2018-10-16 Thread Sean Turner
All, This is the working group last call for the "Issues and Requirements for SNI Encryption in TLS" draft available at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption/. Please review the document and send your comments to the list by 2359 UTC on 31 October 2018. Thanks your