Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-tls13-18

2016-11-09 Thread Martin Rex
Eric Rescorla wrote: > > I'm not quite following who's who in this scenario, so some potentially > stupid > questions below. > > As I understand it, you have the following situation: > > - A Web application server > - Some middleware, which comes in two pieces > - A crypto-unaware network

Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-tls13-18

2016-11-09 Thread Martin Rex
Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > Martin Rex wrote: >> >> The problem here is that this breaks (network) flow control, existing >> (network socket) event management, and direction-independent connection >> closure, and does so completely without value. > > Martin, you keep saying things like

Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-tls13-18

2016-11-09 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Wed 2016-11-09 03:31:22 -0600, Martin Rex wrote: > The problem here is that this breaks (network) flow control, existing > (network socket) event management, and direction-independent connection > closure, and does so completely without value. Martin, you keep saying things like "without