Re: [5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-18 Thread Radim Kubacki
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Shapira, Yoav wrote:

Howdy,


complete. What's missing is better docs, and lots of tweaks and fixes.


I'd like to help with the docs.  Can you prioritize what docs you think
need work (or need to be written from scratch)?  I actually have tomcat
commit access already, so there should be no delay like with
commons-modeler ;(


Sure. Well, I was thinking writing new docs on setup and run would be 
useful.
It's not only the basics. It should talk about using commons-daemon to 
run on Unix, and other stuff.

Other docs about the new features are welcome also:
- new monitoring features (JMX, how to use MC4J with TC, etc)
Remmy,

recently you wrote that it would be nice to ship with JMX 1.2 + a JSR 
160 implementation if possible. Do you think it will be possible to get 
this from MX4J? Or is it possible to use JMX1.2 RI + JSR160 RI (when it 
will be finalized)?

Radim
- updates for the deployer tweaks and improvements
- etc
I think any useful docs will help, so feel free to contribute whatever 
you'd like ;-)

Remy



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RE: [5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-17 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Howdy,

complete. What's missing is better docs, and lots of tweaks and fixes.

I'd like to help with the docs.  Can you prioritize what docs you think
need work (or need to be written from scratch)?  I actually have tomcat
commit access already, so there should be no delay like with
commons-modeler ;(

Note: the rationale behind the no final before the specs is beacause:
- if the specs change and modify a behavior that was introduced in the
new specs, we'd have to break our API / behavior, which is not really
acceptable
- it's a chicken and egg problem: if there's no spec, people will
(likely) prefer using Tomcat 4.1.x, and so Tomcat 5.0.x wouldn't get
enough testing to warrant the stable label
Given the last point, the best IMO would be to make a RC-like release
when the specs are released, followed a few weeks later by a final.

I fully agree with the rationale.  We can't make a reference
implementation stable release of a spec that hasn't been released ;)
Having a beta (as opposed to the current alpha) release, marked as
feature complete and just awaiting testing, is good.  We'll be able to
have minimal turnaround time from spec release to tomcat 5 stable
release.

Yoav Shapira



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Re: [5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-17 Thread Tim Funk
+1. Sounds good. I'll try to keep track of common topics from tomcat-user 
land to indicate what documentation areas need most help.

A feature I want to add (post tagging and haven't started yet) is integrating 
lucene into the tomcat-docs.

-Tim

Remy Maucherat wrote:
Hi,

I am nearly done with the features I wanted to add for 5.0.3 (and the 
changelog is pretty big), so I plan to tag 5.0.3 at the end of this week 
(friday, but more likely saturday).

I don't know if there are some more major features that people would 
like to see in 5.0.x (if that's the case, please add items to the status 
page in the docs), but as far as I am concerned, 5.0.x is nearly feature 
complete. What's missing is better docs, and lots of tweaks and fixes.

Because of that, I plan to write a release plan for Tomcat 5.0.x, 
outlining a tentative schedule and objective for betas and eventually a 
stable release (which as a reminder won't happen until the new specs are 
final).

Note: the rationale behind the no final before the specs is beacause:
- if the specs change and modify a behavior that was introduced in the 
new specs, we'd have to break our API / behavior, which is not really 
acceptable
- it's a chicken and egg problem: if there's no spec, people will 
(likely) prefer using Tomcat 4.1.x, and so Tomcat 5.0.x wouldn't get 
enough testing to warrant the stable label
Given the last point, the best IMO would be to make a RC-like release 
when the specs are released, followed a few weeks later by a final.

Comments ?

Remy



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Re: [5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-17 Thread Remy Maucherat
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Howdy,


complete. What's missing is better docs, and lots of tweaks and fixes.


I'd like to help with the docs.  Can you prioritize what docs you think
need work (or need to be written from scratch)?  I actually have tomcat
commit access already, so there should be no delay like with
commons-modeler ;(
Sure. Well, I was thinking writing new docs on setup and run would be 
useful.
It's not only the basics. It should talk about using commons-daemon to 
run on Unix, and other stuff.

Other docs about the new features are welcome also:
- new monitoring features (JMX, how to use MC4J with TC, etc)
- updates for the deployer tweaks and improvements
- etc
I think any useful docs will help, so feel free to contribute whatever 
you'd like ;-)

Remy

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Re: [5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-17 Thread Remy Maucherat
Tim Funk wrote:
+1. Sounds good. I'll try to keep track of common topics from 
tomcat-user land to indicate what documentation areas need most help.

A feature I want to add (post tagging and haven't started yet) is 
integrating lucene into the tomcat-docs.
Done in a convincing way, that looks like a very good idea :)

Remy

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[5.0.3] Tag soon, 5.0 release plan

2003-06-16 Thread Remy Maucherat
Hi,

I am nearly done with the features I wanted to add for 5.0.3 (and the 
changelog is pretty big), so I plan to tag 5.0.3 at the end of this week 
(friday, but more likely saturday).

I don't know if there are some more major features that people would 
like to see in 5.0.x (if that's the case, please add items to the status 
page in the docs), but as far as I am concerned, 5.0.x is nearly feature 
complete. What's missing is better docs, and lots of tweaks and fixes.

Because of that, I plan to write a release plan for Tomcat 5.0.x, 
outlining a tentative schedule and objective for betas and eventually a 
stable release (which as a reminder won't happen until the new specs are 
final).

Note: the rationale behind the no final before the specs is beacause:
- if the specs change and modify a behavior that was introduced in the 
new specs, we'd have to break our API / behavior, which is not really 
acceptable
- it's a chicken and egg problem: if there's no spec, people will 
(likely) prefer using Tomcat 4.1.x, and so Tomcat 5.0.x wouldn't get 
enough testing to warrant the stable label
Given the last point, the best IMO would be to make a RC-like release 
when the specs are released, followed a few weeks later by a final.

Comments ?

Remy



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