What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
For a third time, we have had a defect logged on the fact that I introduced a bug into JNDIRealm while adding a new filtering feature. The fix was very simple and has been made, but post-release of 4.1.30. That, and the admin application largely does not work due to an unfortunate tagging problem. What is the possibility that there will be a 4.1.31 release? Is there any interest in that? I am not a committer and so cannot bring this about, but I wanted to suggest that it seems to me to be a very good idea. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
Parallel question: How many think that the public messaging should be that more along the lines of Tomcat 5 is now at least as stable/mature as Tomcat 4.1.30 and that folk should upgrade to it? Having asked, I still believe a 4.1.31 for such an issue as that brought up here would be appropriate. I ask the question in terms of messaging to users, OEMs, etc, that 4.1.x has been superseded by 5.0.x in terms of the best version for production -- if/when the community feels this is reality. Personally, I feel that 5.0.22 is at least as stable as the latest 4.1.x, is faster, and overall is preferable. -- Jess Holle Jeff Tulley wrote: For a third time, we have had a defect logged on the fact that I introduced a bug into JNDIRealm while adding a new filtering feature. The fix was very simple and has been made, but post-release of 4.1.30. That, and the admin application largely does not work due to an unfortunate tagging problem. What is the possibility that there will be a 4.1.31 release? Is there any interest in that? I am not a committer and so cannot bring this about, but I wanted to suggest that it seems to me to be a very good idea. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
Hi, It's unlikely you'll see a 4.1.x release for any one feature, unless it's a critical security fix. 4.1.x will have bundle releases with several features, less frequency. We've been giving the message for a while now that 5.x is the way to go, not least because less resources (including release manager resources) are spent on 4.x. Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics -Original Message- From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:36 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release? Parallel question: How many think that the public messaging should be that more along the lines of Tomcat 5 is now at least as stable/mature as Tomcat 4.1.30 and that folk should upgrade to it? Having asked, I still believe a 4.1.31 for such an issue as that brought up here would be appropriate. I ask the question in terms of messaging to users, OEMs, etc, that 4.1.x has been superseded by 5.0.x in terms of the best version for production -- if/when the community feels this is reality. Personally, I feel that 5.0.22 is at least as stable as the latest 4.1.x, is faster, and overall is preferable. -- Jess Holle Jeff Tulley wrote: For a third time, we have had a defect logged on the fact that I introduced a bug into JNDIRealm while adding a new filtering feature. The fix was very simple and has been made, but post-release of 4.1.30. That, and the admin application largely does not work due to an unfortunate tagging problem. What is the possibility that there will be a 4.1.31 release? Is there any interest in that? I am not a committer and so cannot bring this about, but I wanted to suggest that it seems to me to be a very good idea. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
Glad to hear it. Perhaps I'm dense, but this stance is not readily apparent from the Tomcat web page. Contrast: *Tomcat 4.0.x*. Tomcat 4.0.6 is the old production quality release... with *Tomcat 4.1.x*. Tomcat 4.1 is a refactoring of Tomcat 4.0.x, and contains significant enhancements, including... Perhaps Tomcat 4.1.x's verbage should be more like Tomcat 4.0.x's, i.e. state that it is an old production quality release... -- Jess Holle Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, It's unlikely you'll see a 4.1.x release for any one feature, unless it's a critical security fix. 4.1.x will have bundle releases with several features, less frequency. We've been giving the message for a while now that 5.x is the way to go, not least because less resources (including release manager resources) are spent on 4.x. Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics -Original Message- From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:36 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release? Parallel question: How many think that the public messaging should be that more along the lines of Tomcat 5 is now at least as stable/mature as Tomcat 4.1.30 and that folk should upgrade to it? Having asked, I still believe a 4.1.31 for such an issue as that brought up here would be appropriate. I ask the question in terms of messaging to users, OEMs, etc, that 4.1.x has been superseded by 5.0.x in terms of the best version for production -- if/when the community feels this is reality. Personally, I feel that 5.0.22 is at least as stable as the latest 4.1.x, is faster, and overall is preferable. -- Jess Holle Jeff Tulley wrote: For a third time, we have had a defect logged on the fact that I introduced a bug into JNDIRealm while adding a new filtering feature. The fix was very simple and has been made, but post-release of 4.1.30. That, and the admin application largely does not work due to an unfortunate tagging problem. What is the possibility that there will be a 4.1.31 release? Is there any interest in that? I am not a committer and so cannot bring this about, but I wanted to suggest that it seems to me to be a very good idea. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
So what I've brought up is not a critical security fix, but instead a critical functionality fix, with a workaround that is quite annoying for end users. How does that rate? Yes, Tomcat 5.x is the way to go, but for instance on support packs for NetWare we are not at liberty to make such a big move, but instead need to make the smaller upgrade of 4.1.29 to 4.1.30. I will pull in whatever additional fixes I need(JNDIRealm, the Connector to make the admin work), but the story of Move to 5.x does not fit everybody's case. But, the next major release vehicle of NetWare and our Novell Linux Services will do that move to the 5.x code of course. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/27/04 2:49:32 PM Hi, It's unlikely you'll see a 4.1.x release for any one feature, unless it's a critical security fix. 4.1.x will have bundle releases with several features, less frequency. We've been giving the message for a while now that 5.x is the way to go, not least because less resources (including release manager resources) are spent on 4.x. Yoav Shapira Millennium Research Informatics -Original Message- From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:36 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release? Parallel question: How many think that the public messaging should be that more along the lines of Tomcat 5 is now at least as stable/mature as Tomcat 4.1.30 and that folk should upgrade to it? Having asked, I still believe a 4.1.31 for such an issue as that brought up here would be appropriate. I ask the question in terms of messaging to users, OEMs, etc, that 4.1.x has been superseded by 5.0.x in terms of the best version for production -- if/when the community feels this is reality. Personally, I feel that 5.0.22 is at least as stable as the latest 4.1.x, is faster, and overall is preferable. -- Jess Holle Jeff Tulley wrote: For a third time, we have had a defect logged on the fact that I introduced a bug into JNDIRealm while adding a new filtering feature. The fix was very simple and has been made, but post-release of 4.1.30. That, and the admin application largely does not work due to an unfortunate tagging problem. What is the possibility that there will be a 4.1.31 release? Is there any interest in that? I am not a committer and so cannot bring this about, but I wanted to suggest that it seems to me to be a very good idea. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
Hi, So what I've brought up is not a critical security fix, but instead a critical functionality fix, with a workaround that is quite annoying for end users. How does that rate? Below a critical security fix. Personally, I wouldn't rate the JNDIRealm as a critical piece of functionality either, but that's a simple and subjective opinion based solely on its rarity as an issue on the tomcat-user list. Yes, Tomcat 5.x is the way to go, but for instance on support packs for NetWare we are not at liberty to make such a big move, but instead need to make the smaller upgrade of 4.1.29 to 4.1.30. I will pull in whatever additional fixes I need(JNDIRealm, the Connector to make the admin work), but the story of Move to 5.x does not fit everybody's case. I understand completely, and I further imagine there are other people who can't move to 5.x for other reasons (support contracts, 3rd party library lock-in, 4.x-specific code, etc). What I said earlier holds just the same. Your fix will not be ignored forever: it will be bundled into the next 4.x release. But because there is no established frequency on releases for a maintenance-phase branch, if you need your fix now you have to do a custom build. This policy is not dramatically different from other products, both in the open-source and in the commercial software realms. If you found a functionality (not security) bug in Excel 97, you'd be told to upgrade as that's in maintenance-mode. In fact I think we've been pretty good in maintaining 4.x and doing a couple of releases even after 5.x stable came out. But, the next major release vehicle of NetWare and our Novell Linux Services will do that move to the 5.x code of course. Cool. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the possibility of / interest in a 4.1.31 release?
So what I've brought up is not a critical security fix, but instead a critical functionality fix, with a workaround that is quite annoying for end users. How does that rate? Below a critical security fix. Personally, I wouldn't rate the JNDIRealm as a critical piece of functionality either, but that's a simple and subjective opinion based solely on its rarity as an issue on the tomcat-user list. Oh, Yoav - I was talking about the admin piece not working as the critical piece of functionality. No, the JNDIRealm issue is minor, it just keeps coming up. Jeff Tulley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (801)861-5322 Novell, Inc., The Leading Provider of Net Business Solutions http://www.novell.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
